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  1. dryheat44

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    As promised. A lot of changes since my previous projection after the Falcons game:

    1. Brady, Tom QB
    2. Cassel, Matt QB
    3. Dillon, Corey RB
    4. Faulk, Kevin RB
    5. Maroney, Laurence RB
    6. Branch, Deion WR
    7. Caldwell, Reche WR
    8. Jackson, Chad WR
    9. Brown, Troy WR
    10. Graham, Daniel TE
    11. Mills, Garrett FB
    12. Watson, Benjamin TE
    13. Thomas, David TE
    14. Koppen, Dan C
    15. Light, Matt OT
    16. O'Callaghan, Ryan OT
    17. Neal, Stephen OG
    18. Mankins, Logan OG
    19. Hochstein, Ross C
    20. Kaczur, Nick OT
    21. Miller, Josh P
    22. Paxton, Lonie LS
    23. Gostkowski, Stephen K
    24. Green, Jarvis DE
    25. Seymour, Richard DE
    26. Warren, Ty DE
    27. Wilfork, Vince NT
    28. Vrabel, Mike ILB
    29. Bruschi, Tedy ILB
    30. Colvin, Rosevelt OLB
    31. Seau, Junior ILB
    32. Hobbs, Ellis CB
    33. Samuel, Asante CB
    34. Gay, Randall CB
    35. Harrison, Rodney S
    36. Wilson, Eugene S
    37. Sanders, James S
    38. Wright, Mike DE
    39. Banta-Cain, Tully OLB
    40. Mincey, Jeremy OLB
    41. Andrews, Willie S
    42. Sullivan, Jonathan NT
    43. Davis, Don ILB
    44. Alexander, Eric ILB
    45. Hawkins, Artrell S
    46. Gardner, Barry ILB
    47. Britt, Wesley OT
    48. Childress, Bam WR -- Would prefer an upgrade. So far, Derrick Armstrong is my favorite available, by far. I think so far there'd be little disagreement with the projected roster. Now begins the debate:
    49. Beisel, Monty ILB - I might be president of the Beisel Blows club, but he did make four Special Teams tackles against Washington. That gets him a job.
    50. Evans, Heath RB - Kept over Cobbs. Cobbs may or may not have higher upside. Let's not forget that these guys looked impressive against guys that will be out of work soon. Evans is also better in the passing game.
    51. Woods, Pierre OLB - Very good special teams ability.
    52. Spann, Antwain CB - One of the best cover guys I saw at NFL Europe. Also made two ST tackles. Makes it over Warfield and Scott.
    53. Mruczkowski, Gene OL - Gets last roster spot over Chad Brown and Freddie Roach. We need the OL depth, and he's been thoroughly indoctronated in the Scarnecchia system. This spot could also go to another team's cut.

    IR
    Jones, Tebucky S
    Mitchell, Melvin S
    Shelton, Matt WR

    PUP
    Pass, Patrick RB
    Charles, Earl RB
    Ventrone, Ray S

    PS
    Cobbs, Patrick RB
    Mays, Corey LB
    Hand, Randy OT
    Smith, Le Kevin DT
    Barthelmes, Brian OG
    Steitz, Nick OL
    Roach, Freddie ILB
    Stevenson, Dan OG

    This makes the depth chart:

    QB1 Brady
    QB2 Cassel

    RB1 Dillon
    RB2 Maroney
    RB3 Evans

    3B1 Faulk
    3B2 Maroney

    FB1 Mills
    FB2 Evans

    C1 Koppen
    C2 Hochstein
    C3 Mruczkowski

    G1 Mankins
    G2 Neal
    G3 Hochstein
    G4 Kaczur
    G5 Mruczkowski

    T1 Light
    T2 O'Callaghan
    T3 Kaczur
    T4 Britt

    WR1 Branch
    WR2 Caldwell
    WR3 Brown
    WR4 Childress
    WR5 Jackson

    TE1 Watson
    TE2 Graham
    TE3 Thomas
    TE4 Mills
    TE5 Vrabel

    DE1 Seymour
    DE2 Warren
    DE3 Green
    DE4 Wright
    DE5 Wilfork

    NT1 Wilfork
    NT2 Sullivan
    NT3 Wright
    NT4 Warren

    OLB1 Colvin
    OLB2 Banta-Cain
    OLB3 Vrabel
    OLB4 Alexander
    OLB5 Woods
    OLB6 Mincey

    ILB1 Bruschi
    ILB2 Vrabel
    ILB3 Seau
    ILB4 Alexander
    ILB5 Gardner
    ILB6 Davis
    ILB7 Beisel

    CB1 Samuel
    CB2 Hobbs
    CB3 Gay
    CB4 Wilson
    CB5 Spann
    CB6 Hawkins
    CB7 Brown
    CB8 Childress

    S1 Harrison
    S2 Wilson
    S3 Sanders
    S4 Hawkins
    S5 Andrews
    S6 Davis

    LS1 Paxton
    LS2 Hochstein
    LS3 Mills
    LS4 Thomas
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    Agreement with your top 46.
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    Nice job. I do think we would lose Cobbs, Smith and Stevenson off the practice squad or before they even got there.

    My feeling is that Evans would be more likely to be available as a FA if he doesn't make the squad. I think Cobbs has had enough impressive plays in pre-season to make him an attractive option for teams that are thin at RB. I would rather keep Cobbs because he would represent BB's thinking that it doesn't matter what your pedigree is, if you can play and work hard, there is a place for you.

    Everyone is always looking at Oline help and I think Stevenson would go because of this. AZ could still be looking for more help as well as Cleveland and many others.

    I especially like your use of the PUP list to stash players like Pass. Hopefully we won't have the injuries like last year, but it's good to have guys on deck.

    So I guess Klecko finally gets the ax.
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    I ran your numbers and had almost the same thing, some minor differences at spots 49-53 but nothing to spectacular. When you put it down on paper it is amazing how thin we are in the secondary.

    Go Pats!

    CB 4
    DL 6
    LB 11
    OL 9
    QB 2
    RB 4
    S 5
    SPEC 3
    TE 4
    WR 5
    Grand Total 53
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    Huh? :confused:

    Ten characters...
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    Dryheat, you think Beisel will make it? Say it isn't so. :(
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    Yep. As a special teams player. And possibly as a nickel linebacker in obvious passing situations. That is all.
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    Cobbs makes it over Evans. That's the only gripe.
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    My biggest gripe with your last roster was that Childress was left off - I think he's shown more than enough to make the team and think he's the Troy Brown of the future.

    Glad to see he's back on the roster now
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    Quote:
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    When you put it down on paper it is amazing how thin we are in the secondary.

    Not sure what you mean? The CB depth chart doesn't exactly blow you away.

    CB1 Samuel
    CB2 Hobbs
    CB3 Gay
    CB4 Wilson
    CB5 Spann
    CB6 Hawkins
    CB7 Brown
    CB8 Childress
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    I don't know how you see it that way. Samuel and Gay were our starting CB's in a superbowl in which we won. Hobbs is an improvement over Gay and most likely will surpass Samuel at somepoint in the near future. Geno was drafted as a CB and gives great versitility in the Secondary. But you just limited this post to the corners but you said secondary earlier in the thread. If you add in our Safeties and the dual role guys, this becomes the deepest secondary we have had in some time. Geno, Hawkins and C. Scott can all play either Safety or CB, add in Sanders as a possible Safety / nickelback (if needed) and the depth gets deeper. Barring another season of having our guys fall to the injury sniper in droves we should be more than ok in the secondary.
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    I tend to agree. I'm pretty comfortable with Hobbs and Samuel. Gay is good depth, and if we needed to move Wilson, There is some decent depth behind him at FS.
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    There is but a single guy on the 53 with whom I disagree. Chad Scott wins out over Spann.

    Hank Poteat, Larry Izzo, Chad Brown, and/or Eric Warfield join the "Stealth" or "Shadow" roster. I predict we will likely see at least two, if not all four before the season is over.

    I would pick Evans over Cobbs as well, but I wouldn't complain if the decision on the 53rd went the other way.



    My only questions are with the Practice Squad.

    I studied the Offensive line subs and Yates is clearly much better than any of the PS guys. I think he has a year of PS eligibility left. He takes one of the Stietz/Barthelmes spots. The other goes to developmental CB Spann. Corey Mayes is similarly dropped for a developmental WR, such as Kight, Mushsinski or Stone; or a pickup from another team.
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    Question......

    Great job Dryheat. I may not be with you on Beisel and Mincey, but I think you make a good case on the others.

    It's been said that BB likes veteran LBs. Can you examine the final roster you have posted and calculate for us the average age for the ILBs and OLBs.

    I'm almost thinking it's even older than last years average age.
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    What happened to Hill?

    Do you just cut him? A second round pick? I'd see if our old frind Eric would trade Justin McCairens (just got pushed down the depth chart to 3/4 wr) for him.
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    Maybe I should have said CB... although Safety is almost fully dependent on 37 contributing.

    I like Samuel & Hobbs, Samuels looks to be in great shape and will be playing for a contract. I would like to see the Pats lock him up, by being proactive they should be able to get a good price. But I disagree about the depth. If deep equals a lot of bodies we are deep, but if an injury occurs at the top (Hobbs or Samuels) then it gets dicey. Gay has a history of missing time but is an adequate backup. After that is really drops off, this position could have been really enhanced by a mid-tier signing (Will Allen, Andre Dyson, Brian Williams, Sam Madison).
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    I think Warfield was that signing he just hasn't shown anything during the pre-season. But BB values versatility over all else and if he can have two guys that can play 2 positions than that free's up a roster spot somewhere else. I am confident that our Secondary will be above average to really good based on several factors.

    1. We have the best DL in the league, as well as great depth. The QB won't have a whole lot of time to dissect our secondary.

    2. We have Harrison back to lead them.

    3. Our starters are good and the odds are against us having an injury problem in the secondary as severe as the past two seasons.

    4. Guys like Hawkins, Sanders and C. Scott have some experience in the system and are healthy.

    5. Hawkins, C. Scott and Geno can all play multiple positions in the secondary

    6. and last but not least.....Hank is only a phone call away ;)
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    Nut's corrections to DH44's other wise good roster.

    1. Murc out Stevenson in- Murc has been knocked on his ass too often

    2. Evans out Cobbs in- toughest call

    3. Spann out- Chad Scott in- need that veteran who can play safety and cb-Spann to PS if he clears waivers

    4. S. Thomas in- the guy has looked good - I forgot who I kicked out- Alexander? Mincey?

    And yes, Monty does stay on the team.
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    Unfortunately, I don't think Yates is eligibile for the Practice Squad anymore. He's been on it parts of two years. He might be one of those tough cuts. Probably gets a job in Cleveland. Strong tough guy who Romeo would have a file on since he was constantly going up against Pats DL in practice.
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    Interesting, it seems Biesel has been predicted to make the team by a few around here today. Or so it seems. That surprises me.

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