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  1. italia44

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    The play is the long-bomb to Stallworth in the 1st half,that was intercepted.

    I believe it was first down and the Pats had the ball in Colt's territory around the 50 yd line.

    Dante Stallworth ran a "skinny" post fake and go
    to the left corner of the end zone.

    I believe that Stallworth missread the safety on this and caused TB to throw the interception.

    On this play,he must read whether the safety was
    "influenced" by the skinny post or not and adjust
    accordingly......Mathis was not influenced and that
    Bob Sanders was not in position to defend the post,as he was occupied with Moss on the right side.

    I believe Brady expected him to stay on the post
    move towards the center of the end zone,not the
    left corner,where Mathis was playing the deep zone.

    This was a "disaster" because we could have scored at least 3 points and maybe 7 AND run out
    the clock......negating the Addai "miracle" run.

    We would have been up 10-6 or 14-6 with all the momentum going into receiving the 2nd half kickoff.

    I also blame Josh Mcdaniel,as I believe it was first
    down and a really bad play call.

    If you remember the Denver playoff game,the same scenario.....the same interception on 1st down.

    I saw Brady motioning to Stallworth after the interception.....telling him either his "read" or his
    "route" was wrong.

    Anybody have another take on this play?
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    No offense to Donte, but it seems he did not fight for the ball or at least deflect it. This shows how great Randy compared to other very good receivers. Go Pats. :rocker:
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    I don't know what happened but you're certainly right about the loss of momentum and the increasing frustration being felt out there.

    Similar things have happened to Manning against us. Breakdowns are fun when they work for you, and pretty frustrating when they go against you.

    Somehow they survived but I did sense that it got a whole lot harder because of that pick.
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    It was a duck, poor thrown ball by Brady. Both ints were on Brady-both badly thrown, under thrown balls.
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    Then why did Brady throw the ball where he did? And even if there was a miscommunication, it was a bad throw by Tom.
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    I have to give Brackett some credit on the second INT. It was an amazing play. I think it was more his athletic ability than Brady's fault.
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    Maybe Donte outran the pass?
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    My take was that this ball was thrown short. If Mathis hadn't been there, no way Stallworth made that catch without slowing way down or coming back .
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    Yeah, Brady seems to be throwing the long ball short, after starting the season throwing the long ball too long.
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    Why does it seem a lot of you guys are blaming Stallworth for not going after the ball, or making a bad adjustment? To me it was 1) a bad playcall, 2) a badly thrown ball on Brady's part, and 3) a somewhat bad decision to throw into coverage.

    It was obvious Stallworth expected to catch that ball in the endzone, but Brady underthrew him and the ball didn't make it into the endzone. Stallworth realizing this tried to stop (he was going close to full speed), and make his way back to the ball, but it was to late.

    That was a key play when it comes to the overall outcome of that game, and the Colts ability to gain that 10 point lead in the second half, but I don't think you can just blame it on Stallworth, and the Patriots had other chances to make something happen and didn't capitalize on them. I'm glad they won, and to an extent I'm glad they won in that fashion, because it gives BB plenty to complain about, and fix during the Bye.
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    Agreed, I'm a huge Brady homer, but both picks were underthrows.
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    Or the pass was simply underthrown.
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    This was a long pass route,Brady only has time to
    "read" Stallworth's break off the post.

    That being said.....the play never should have been called and Brady should not have thrown it.

    This pattern is similar to the 55 yd throw to Stallworth in the 4th quarter.

    I believe BB was upset with Mcdaniel because:

    1.it's too risky
    2.it's first down
    3.You're not running down the clock

    and lastly.....it's too friggin risky!
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    Brady and Donte should be faulted on the first INT...

    it was underthrown, and at the same time Donte did not adjust to it well...

    donte also did not have good vision of the safety, which kinda snuck up behind him...otherwise im positive donte would have moved up to make the catch...but he was surprised, he didnt expect anyone to be there
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    and the second pick i dont think was underthrown, i think the guy made the play of his life...

    rememberd, Brady was throwing to Brady...quite a big man...and prob cant jump too high, or move for the ball too much....the ball would have gone rit to the numbers....it was a good throw, the defense made an excellent play that time
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    I think he expected the pass to go into the endzone, but it didn't.

    Really, I think that was an underthrown pass, and more on Brady than Stallworth. Still though, I don't think McDaniels should have called that play.
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    The INT on the Stallworth play was 100% Brady. It shouldn't have even been thrown.
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    #12 Jersey

    As was the 55 yarder to Moss.
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    I think this int was all brady, stallworth had him beat, brady waited to long to pass it and when he did he underthrew him.
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    Go back and watch the game, it was slightly underthrown. Brackett made a tremendous play, but that 5'11" LB shouldn't have had a chance on the ball, especially as Kyle Brady a 6'6" TE was about two yards ahead of him. Also Brady was trying to throw it over the top to Kyle, so throwing it low/at Kyle's numbers isn't the intention.
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