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    Ex-soldiers don't need to be told they're a burden to society

    Well here is a peak at the Obamacare future:

    Jim Towey: The Death Book for Veterans - WSJ.com


    Disgracefule doing this to Vets who have served their country.

    Instead of Saving private Ryan we see talking Private Ryan into assisted suicide...:mad:
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    Oh crap, just when I thought this nonsense was over, here we go again... :rolleyes:

    Did some quick research on Mr. Towey, author of the article (link).

    OK, so I already smell a rat. We know this man has an agenda. And then I found another article he wrote (link); OK, so now we also see he worships the ground Bush walked on.

    Mr. Towey makes a big deal out of a particular questionnaire contained in a workbook that Dr. Robert Pearlman put together to assist veterans who face end-of-life illness:
    Guilt-inducing? Oh please! Should we pretend that our veterans never face such self doubt in their lives? Should we just sweep it under the rug when it does come up? This prompted me to read more of the workbook myself...

    First off, this questionnaire appears in a section entitled "Thought-provoking exercises." Gee, wonder if that's what made Mr. Towey think to use the word provocatively in the above quote. The workbook itself claims that its intent is to be provacative. How clever of Mr. Towey not to mention that. Kind of like Chuckie forgetting to include the word "voluntary" in his blog about how the bills says parental rights will be upsurped by the government.

    Second off, I did a search on the workbook and found only two references to suicide, both on page 51 in a Q&A section called "Legal and ethical issues of advance care planning". One is neutral and the other is dissuasive:


    Now, I don't know much detail about Dr. Pearlman involvement with assisted suicide, but it's quite apparent to me that he held this all in check when he put together the workbook.

    My conclusion: this is just attempt from the right to try to get more mileage out of the ridiculous death panel idea and generate further hysteria in the continued effort to minimize any reasonable discourse on the UHC bill debate.
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    Mr Pearlman argued for Assisted suicide before the Supreme Court, so gald to clear up your ignorance on Mr Pearlman's background.

    On the Fox news sunday show, Sen Specter is promising hearings and Sec Duckworth was backpedaling like crazy.

    So apparently a nerve was hit.

    BTW there were links to the hemlock society in the back of the pamphlet, there was an article linked here about suicide among soldiers, should a booklet by assisted suicide advocated be given to veterans?

    There is pressure for rationing care is coming on all sides. The thrust of the government is clear. The government has a vested interest in 'lowering cost' people deciding to die helps the government 'reduce costs'. The government should not advocate end of life issues since they have a clear conflict of interest.
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    Now whos ignorant......Agent 13 Godef? I think not. You should be embarressed for even implying that death panels could exist. Not even Palin still runs with this ludicrous BS.
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    Irrelevent. In the workbook, he did not advocate or even suggest assisted suicide except in the Q&A section. And from those comments, he appears to be very knowledgable about the scope of assisted suicide, and yet chooses not to advocate it:
    On the Fox news sunday show, Sen Specter is promising hearings and Sec Duckworth was backpedaling like crazy.

    So apparently a nerve was hit.
    Really?!? Are you talking about the "Your Life Your Choices" workbook I gave you a link to? Because I can't find it. And I betcha most veterens would not even realize that one of its authors advocated assisted suicide, not until the blowhards of the world alerted them, as there is nothing in the workbook that would suggest this.

    Aaah, right back to the core issue. "Advocate end of life issues" is a non-sensical phrase, though your post had several so I'll give you BOD. How do you "advocate" an issue? Do you mean for or against? But regardless, the simple fact exists that nowhere does the government propose or even suggest advocating for the right of someone to end their life. Go ahead, prove me wrong.

    As I have already said in this thread, this is nothing but anti-UHC bluster.
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    So let me get this straight, a right wing nut who doesn't "believe" in evolution is accusing Obama of bringing back a book for Vets that's meant to help with end of life issues, previously thrown out I presume as part of Bush's incessant pandering to fundamentalist buffoons. And the "evil" of this is that the same author advocates a patients right to physician assisted suicide? And instead of this being a clear cut civil rights issue, to you nutjobs, this is what, Obama's secret plan to wipe out veterans? Why the fvck is this country half full of borderline psychotic dumbasses like the OP? This is why nobody wants to respond to you children on this issue, you are incapable of adult conversation. The OP didn't even read or familiarize himself with the actual book in question, and you expect to be taken seriously?
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    Sorry to say the usual MO for the OP.
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    Where did I reference a death panel in this thread?

    I did note a booklet written by an advocate of assisted suicide that is being pushed on veterans by order of the Obama administration.


    Pathetic attempt at creating a strawman, par for the course for you.
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    There is a bias towards not exposing your family and society to financial burdern. The have vunerable people question and doubt the value of their life. Callous and disgusting.

    Looking on the bright side perhaps it should have been recommended to Sen Kennedy, Byrd, Dodd and Specter all elderly who have run up enormous medical bills for their treatment, than the administration would perfer to see other forego, sotra like algore telling us to curtail our energy use while he ruses vast amount of energy.


    Not a fan of Specter BYW, however he as a cowardly politican can see what a terrible issue this is for the socialist health plan.

    We are all supposed to ignore the fact that health care is rationed in countires with single payer systems like the one this approach by the dems will lead to.

    Perhaps some are stupid enough to believe this crap being spewed by the administration, most of us aren't that gulliable.
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    Too bad you didn't actually read it. :rolleyes:
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    Please point out in the workbook what you find objectionable, then come back and tell us. You have totally misrepresented its contents. If there is any stupidity involved, it's the crap that's all coming from you. You are the one who's gullible, and you showed it when you created this thread to start with. Please stay off the kool-aid.
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    No need to, the fact is that in both the Obama socialized health care plan and this inititave being pushed by the administration the authors and 'experts' are advocates are people who have supported assisted suicide and Rationing Healthcare. Unlike you I don't have blind faith in government officals.

    Read the original link in the WSJ article, I am not your gofer. The Obama administration is lying about the results of their plan.

    Thay want power over your healthcare decisions, I don't want any power over your healthcare, who has the agenda and the motivation to mislead????


    I want to the government to leave me and my family alone, if you want to be a sheep and ward of the state that is your problem. Don't ask me to cooperate.
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    Now that was a lame response.

    I already read the article, and as I pointed out, Twoey worships Bush and thus his interpretation of the workbook is not credible. But rather than rely on someone else's interpretation, you think you could build one of your own? You have no idea whether Obama has lied about this, and whether the government's agenda and motivation is to mislead. You're just regurgitating somebody else's kool-aid. And you're too lazy to actually check the workbook for yourself to see if any of it is actually true.

    To say they want over your healthcare is just plain idiotic. It's up to you to back your claim.
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    I don't want to rely on the opinions of umelected bureaucrats when it comes to my family's health care.

    You can't refute the credentials of the author of this so attack the person who points out the bias towards rationing care and advising people to decide that life isn't worth living.
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    Round and round we go. :rolleyes:
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    Your lack of knowledge of the Justice System is showing once again, as Pearlman did not testify to anything.. he signed onto an Amicus Curiea brief in the Vacco Vs. Quill case... but if Towey said he testified, then it is ok to be a lemming.

    FYI Doctors present testimony in these type of cases, they do not argue them unless they are also admitted to the bar.. in this case Pearlman signed this Amicus Curiea Brief (friend of the court)

    Brief of Amicus Curiae Bioethicists Supporting Respondents

    FYI if I am terminal, I want to know my choices so as not to prolong my own suffering and my family's...
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    As I said Mr Pearlman advocated for assisted suicide before the supreme court.

    Spin away dem party boy.
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    Here is what you said....

    The lemming crew will be so proud of you for continuing to spread the lies and half truths... you spin so many half truths, difficult to discern between fact and fiction.. what you said, and what you claimed to have said.

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