I want to pull together couple of threads themes we have seen here in the past few months. The most recent is the Thread by RW about the Pensions of government which are causing state and local governments to go broke. Another theme is the looming unfunded liabilities for our entitlement program, with the companion theme of adding another entitlement for health care. The stateist model is unsustainable, we have recently seen the financial crisis, which is being leveraged to increase the power of the state, even though state intervention was a big contributing factor to the problem. We also see the state seeking to control energy availability by means of the fabricated man made climate change scare. Now we see the collapse of Greece and the impending problems in Spain, Ireland, Portugal and Italy. from M Steyn: STEYN: Our own Greek tragedy - Washington Times Of course the government employees are rioting over their plight, the country can collapse as long as they are not bothered. Lonsberry Aside from the collapse of socialist states after they run out of other peoples money we have the issue of demographics which are going into the tank worldwide especially in the big industrial states. We have aborted ourselves towards economic collapse, due to a lack of people going into the future: YouTube - Low Birth Rates, Worldwide Demographic Winter and the Declin Demographics are destiny.