Welcome to PatsFans.com

The case AGAINST signing Ed Reed

Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by OhExaulted1, Feb 21, 2013.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. OhExaulted1

    OhExaulted1 In the Starting Line-Up

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2005
    Messages:
    3,067
    Likes Received:
    289
    Ratings:
    +858 / 22 / -33

    #15 Jersey

  2. AndyJohnson

    AndyJohnson PatsFans.com Veteran PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    23,771
    Likes Received:
    364
    Ratings:
    +1,434 / 29 / -23

    Not very well written or thought out. I would assume that someone analyzing a safety's fit in NE would know we play LS and RS not FS and SS.
    Ultimately, I agree with the conclusion that signing an aging and injury prone guy as a stop gap isn't the best solution (by the way George Wilson over Reed?) but the reasoning here was shoddy, IMO. We would be a better team next year with Reed than his solution, if Reed stays healthy, but this is a player who contemplated retirement 2 years ago and has started to show wear and tear. At the likely price tag, the player is worth it, but the risk of being without the player and wasting the money overcomes that IMO.
     
  3. Sciz

    Sciz PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2009
    Messages:
    7,378
    Likes Received:
    155
    Ratings:
    +440 / 1 / -0

    What would it take for us to finally be able to say that the Pats actually do use their safeties differently? I'd gladly be willing to go back and see how often McCourty is the safety that goes deep in cover 1 and cover 3, or whatever other criteria people want to use.

    And considering the Pats' defense was among the worst in the NFL in perimeter run defense on both sides of the field, I think they could benefit a lot from adding someone who is an upgrade over Gregory in tackling, and that's not Reed at this point in his career.
     
  4. patsfan-1982

    patsfan-1982 In the Starting Line-Up

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2007
    Messages:
    4,273
    Likes Received:
    23
    Ratings:
    +97 / 10 / -4

    i dont think the pats have a shot at signing him i think he stays with the ravens but why would anyone not want Ed Reed yes he's a year or two stop gap but who is the long term safety ? if its Tavon Wilson and Devin McCourty then im ok with that but if anyone thinks the pats are going to pay
     
  5. Salva135

    Salva135 Third String But Playing on Special Teams

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2008
    Messages:
    982
    Likes Received:
    5
    Ratings:
    +16 / 16 / -0

    I'm operating with the numbers of of the Pats operating at a very low point of secondary play. 50% of Reed is probably better than 100% of Chung last year. The Pat are in desperate situations in the secondary. No stone unturned.
     
  6. Brady_to_Moss

    Brady_to_Moss Revis Island is here PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2007
    Messages:
    20,048
    Likes Received:
    768
    Ratings:
    +1,958 / 16 / -8

    #95 Jersey

  7. Froob

    Froob Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2010
    Messages:
    6,069
    Likes Received:
    204
    Ratings:
    +769 / 12 / -4

    #32 Jersey

    I'm not sold on Wilson. I'd rather have Reed for insurance. 2 year deal sounds good to me. Worse case scenario, McCourty goes back to Corner. Relying on Meriweather and Chung who were suppose to be young studs ended up being a mistake(although they still should have kept Meriweather instead of starting Brown and Barrett). Extra dept is not a bad thing. Assuming Reed doesn't want something outrageous and pats will be able to cut him at the end of the season without hurting themselves.
     
  8. JackBauer

    JackBauer Pro Bowl Player

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2005
    Messages:
    16,410
    Likes Received:
    358
    Ratings:
    +861 / 6 / -9

    I've maintained all along that I'd rather not sign Reed, but I wouldn't be exactly heartbroken if the team went that route.

    Just seems like there's a better way to use the resources than overpaying for a safety whose play is in decline. I'd prefer a more sustainable solution, myself.
     
  9. Marqui

    Marqui In the Starting Line-Up

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2009
    Messages:
    3,054
    Likes Received:
    97
    Ratings:
    +311 / 16 / -6

    What would be the better solution at safety for next year?
     
  10. signbabybrady

    signbabybrady Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2007
    Messages:
    9,046
    Likes Received:
    149
    Ratings:
    +277 / 1 / -1

    #24 Jersey

    This my view point as well.

    Personally I don't think safety is as big a concern as everyone makes it out to be. I am in the group that assumes we leave McCourty at safety and he is currently our best DB. We also have a young player in Wilson who filled a dimeback role and back up safety role and got 4 picks doing it, he did have his struggles but I am willing to bank on growth from him. One of the reasons I am willing to bank on this is that worst case scenario I think Gregory is a decent starter who is memory serves me correct was hurt during our secondaries worst stretch last year and IMO his health was a part of the secondaries turn around (which seems to be credited completely to Talib and the McCourty move to Safety).

    To me the above is not aweful and obviously if healthy Reed would be huge boost to the position and for that reason I am not against it but if we look at the CB position there is a completely different picture there which is just Dennard (I believe his sentenct will allow him to be here long before TC).

    IMO any money spent in the secondary should be spent on CB not safety. If we spend on safety than we are likely moving McCourty back to CB and I am ok with this but my opinion is he should stay at safety.

    My preference would be to spend on Talib or another one of the top CB on the market and fill in the rest of the CB depth with draft and mid level free agents.
    My depth would look like this.

    Safety:
    Starting would be McCourty and hopefully Wilson steps up to take the other spot but I am OK with Gregory starting. The other obviously being the key depth. Ebner as number 4 and a key ST contributor is good.

    Starting CB
    Dennard and Talib (or top level free agent)
    Nickel - Mid level Free Agent would be nice to have Arrington back as we know he is a good slot player and STer but if gone I think we should be able to find a slot corner.
    Depth - A draft pick should definitely be added to this group perfably a high one. Also depending on is the slot corner we might need added depth on the outside (speaking specifically about Arrington).

    This IMO would make for a much better secondary than we have started the last few seasons with. My concerns are that if McCourty were to go done that is a scary safety duo but most teams could say the same if their top safety went down.

    Total offseason investment at safety we are not spending anything by my above plan and at CB we are investing heavy in a top free agent, mid level free agent, and a high draft pick.
     
  11. Ice_Ice_Brady

    Ice_Ice_Brady In the Starting Line-Up

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2006
    Messages:
    2,448
    Likes Received:
    73
    Ratings:
    +232 / 21 / -3

    I can't really argue with that sound reasoning, and honestly it changed my mind about Reed. Biggest takeaway is that Devin McCourty is a fantastic FS, so why bring in an older who plays exactly the same position. I did not realize just how good McCourty is at the position, and while stats can be skewed at QB rating against of 10.2?? Even the biggest stat manipulator would have trouble getting to a number like that.
     
  12. FCB02062

    FCB02062 Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2010
    Messages:
    1,357
    Likes Received:
    37
    Ratings:
    +129 / 36 / -26

    the days of established free agents taking the bait on the Pats one/two year contract offers because they "want to win" are long gone. Hey, if you want to win division titles, New England's the place, but if you want to win a Super Bowl, free agents are looking elsewhere....
     
  13. Brady_to_Moss

    Brady_to_Moss Revis Island is here PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2007
    Messages:
    20,048
    Likes Received:
    768
    Ratings:
    +1,958 / 16 / -8

    #95 Jersey

  14. kennyb

    kennyb Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2011
    Messages:
    1,264
    Likes Received:
    21
    Ratings:
    +61 / 28 / -11

    Why would ed reed want to come here instead of staying at a SB champion? Seems like an odd thing to do. Maybe it's me. Would he get an extra few dollars to come here? I don't think that would make sense, still.

    Unless Baltimore just doesn't want to sign him and then why would they not?
     
  15. patsinthesnow

    patsinthesnow PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2008
    Messages:
    9,093
    Likes Received:
    443
    Ratings:
    +888 / 16 / -7

    #87 Jersey

    Ed Reed: "I'd win two" superbowls in New England.
     
  16. Froob

    Froob Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2010
    Messages:
    6,069
    Likes Received:
    204
    Ratings:
    +769 / 12 / -4

    #32 Jersey

    Seems like a lot of people want a guy who's young, can cover, and can deliver big hits. Not easy to come by. I'd take Reed or Landry or even both if you can get away with a short and not too expensive contract. It's rumored Landry will settle for 3-4 million.
     
  17. signbabybrady

    signbabybrady Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2007
    Messages:
    9,046
    Likes Received:
    149
    Ratings:
    +277 / 1 / -1

    #24 Jersey

    Landry is not coming here. He felt BB disrespected him last year by not showing up to last year's free agent visit. Even if he has got over it there is still the reason why BB didn't my assumption he didnt want him.
     
  18. Froob

    Froob Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2010
    Messages:
    6,069
    Likes Received:
    204
    Ratings:
    +769 / 12 / -4

    #32 Jersey

    Eh, you never know. Raja Ball clotheslined Kobe Bryant and now is dying to be a Laker.
     
  19. JackBauer

    JackBauer Pro Bowl Player

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2005
    Messages:
    16,410
    Likes Received:
    358
    Ratings:
    +861 / 6 / -9

    Problem is Landry sucks in coverage.
     
  20. Froob

    Froob Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2010
    Messages:
    6,069
    Likes Received:
    204
    Ratings:
    +769 / 12 / -4

    #32 Jersey

    Pollard isn't particularly good in coverage but he makes an impact because he's a hard hitting SOB. Could use one. Depends who's on corner. If they bring back Talib and Dennard and is allowed to play and Rasi doesn't smash into a million pieces they might be able to afford having a hard hitter out there.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page

unset ($sidebar_block_show); ?>