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  1. reflexblue

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    I didn't post what i did to you to get into a conversation about art. I understand that the
    "image of Christ" was being abused. The point of the post was to give you a heads up about what Harry may have been trying to achieve, and to get a reaction out of him... Which i thought would have been classic harry boy. Instead i get a reaction out of both of you. I thought Harrys would be better though.
     
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    So I consider a statue of Jesus on the cross submerged in a jar of urine to be defamatory toward Christ. Inexcusably inflammatory desecration.


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    Not against the law. And you can't stifle ideas. This is America, remember? Free country, free speech, all that stuff. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean you can ban it.
     
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    there's no limit to what you can do when freely expressing yourself.......

    just look at timothy mcveigh and ted kaczynski
     
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    Hardly equivalent or relevant. They committed clear crimes. Plenty of thinkers (dare I say nearly all?) express their ideas appropriately. There's a really well-defined line between expressing an idea and committing a violent crime.
    What's your point?
     
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    They were artists??? Or is this just another hysteria deflection???
     
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    Yeah, I know, I guess I just disagreed with the analogy. I also don't like to talk about the idea of just getting a reaction out of somebody cause it's pretty boring to be honest. It's a play from every 3 year old's playbook.
     
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    There used to be such things as "socially constructive standards", or some name, that applied to art, magazine sales, etc. Those standards were eventually tossed out by some liberal judges who thought it was OK to ban religion from schools and public places, but pornography and slander could stay.

    You see the result in the schools and throughout society in general. By removing all wholesome standards from the public arena, we have allowed all the filth and smut and slime that drives people crazy to pour in like a tidal wave. It's wrong, and it won't be like this in 30 years ... if America survives. Without a high standard of morality America is dead.

    Any country is, for that matter. But America is especially vulnerable given her high status position in the world. If she loses her standard of morality, she will lose her status in the world, going the way of the Roman empire: rot from within, making her ripe for outside invasion.


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    Ulysses was banned in the US until 1933 due to the perception that it was pornographic. Does studying Ulysses contribute to the decline of America?
     
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    you could call the remaining structure of the murrah building 'art'

    you could call ted kaczynski's shack in the wood 'art'

    people have made all kinds of art out of the image of 9/11

    the moment anyone calls anything art, it is so
     
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    Nobody reputable has, to my knowledge.
     
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    And I always thought it had to with intent.. or maybe it is some law of unintended consequences.. did not see a whole lot of art in the Murrah Bldg.
     
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    well.........somebody made a grilled cheese sandwich that wound up having the image of jesus on it and it became art........without the intent
     
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    Was that art??? Just because it had the image of jesus on it, does not mean it was art. Mirriam defines it as:

     
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    Art is in the eye of the beholder. Since its a subjective experiance no one can tell someone else whats art and what isn't. IMO
     
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    So let somebody make a sculpture or painting of your wife, your daughter, and your mother getting gang-raped, and let them call it their "art". Fits your definition, which is bull-crap.


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    Your missing my point i think. I didn't think the jar of piss was art. It was an insult that was intended to get a reaction out of people. Which it did, according to Anton.
     
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    So then all along it was NOT really art; it was intended as an insult from the get go. You've made the point crystal clear to all now. Thank you.

    Such insults therefore need to be prosecuted appropriately and fully. And they will. :D

    Tell Anton.

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    IMO Its not art, but that doesn't mean that other's do. IMO it was intended to elicit a reaction from people good or bad.......Anton
     
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    Gee, I DIDN'T SEE THIS COMING :rolleyes:

    Go ahead and donate that $20 to Ian and this site in my name ;)

     

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