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The Best Summation of Why Conservatives Were Shocked by the Election

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  1. shmessy

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    #75 Jersey

    Not a mocking column at all, but a deeply thoughtful analysis of the battle between facts/ data vs. gut feelings (which members of BOTH parties are guilty more times than not).

    The America in the Next Seat
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    Well said.. also think that the efforts of Gingrich, Perry et al to dehumanize Willard had very negative impact, something that he had a very difficult time recovering from. Remember the convention, they spent three days just trying to humanize the guy... and it still made no impact. Romney is not a real likeable guy, neither if Ryan.

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    I wasn't shocked, I predicted it, all one had to do was look at the New Culture that is spreading like wildfire in the country, America is changing, the obsession with sex, the anger against all religions (Except Muslim it is considered racist to criticize their religion) the Brainwashing of young people by the Left Wing MSM, the demonization of successful buisnesmen, the hatred of the rich man (who will the poor man work for) and the constant ranting and raving by the filthy dishonest lying grinning pervert politicians.

    In the near future America will divide itself into several little country's, America's History Books will be destroyed, America as we knew it will be destroyed.

    The new suck and f--- generation will be running the show then somewhere down the line the whole country will self destruct the different races will all be at war with each other then finally, America will be nothing more than another third world shlt hole.
    God Willing I will never live to see it, May The Lord God Be With You And Yours.
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    I wasn't shocked, either........I predicted Obama would win......most people did.

    I'm also not shocked that nothing has changed. Just like nothing changed after the 2008 election.

    I still don't understand the notion that this election was any kind of mandate with the possible exception that both sides have been mandated to work together.

    the biggest change from 2008 to 2012 was that Obama got 10M fewer votes and his percentage lowered in 46 of 51 states plus DC. as much as libbies would like to think that the republicans are on precarious ground, its the liberals who are also appear to be on a ledge.

    if things continue unchanged, it is by no means clear that the republicans will be the ones paying the price in 2016. right now, all they need to do is soften their stance on a couple of social issues, and the pendulum will swing their way.
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    #61 Jersey

    I don't think Ann Romney did her husband any favors in her convention address. Her attempt to relate to common working folk was transparently contrived and lame as hell (re., those days of hardship and struggle surviving on tuna and pasta). Whenever Mitt addressed the working man's lot he just seemed less than convincing in his ability to relate. What the Romneys should have done was simply own up to their privileged background and say something like, "Yeah, we're filthy rich and always have been. But don't hold that against us, because we have some great ideas for moving the nation forward."
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    #87 Jersey

    As i said in another thread somewhere ... anyone living in a melting pot kind of state is not shocked at this ... I doubt many in New England are shocked at all. But when you live in an area that is predominantly white ... perhaps it's a shock. Oh well ... get used to it ... the USA has been changing big time over the last 20-25 years ... maybe more.
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    #75 Jersey

    Yeah, this time, he did almost as badly as George W. Bush in 2000 and 2004.

    Good thing THAT guy never became President! :D :D :D
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    #75 Jersey

    I guess Dick Morris, Karl Rove and Michael Barone all live in Alabama.
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    LOL at the pointlessness of your reply...... obama's incompetence does rival that of bush
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    #75 Jersey

    It was right on the point. Your post was about the electoral numbers.

    I understand, you are grieving.
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    yes.....I am so despondent, all I can think about is getting stoned and watching 2 chicks do it
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    #15 Jersey

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    As an outsider, to me it looked like Mitt wasn't a bad guy trying to appeal to a group of people (the Rep base) to ensure he got the nomination, but it came at the expense of the broader electorate in the Prez race.

    I don't think people around the world have a problem with wealthy people running for high office, but people all over the world can smell a phony. I'm sure all candidates have a whiff of phony, but it's important to be appear less phony than your opponent.

    If Mitt had held his nerve during the primary race and stayed moderate then a wider range of people may have voted for him in the election. The problem is he may not have got the Rep nomination.

    The Republicans need to address how badly they damage their broader image during the primary race, otherwise they will be reliant on people only electing them because they are sick of the incumbent president.

    OR they have to find a "miracle' candidate who can survive the primary race, which pushes the candidates so far to the right they look like nutjobs.
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    Again, Obama was ripe for defeat. Instead, the election was a clear repudiation of fatally flawed right wing ideology. ... Baring a new depression, it will get worse as the right's base continues to die off.

    Time to completely reprogram, conservatives. You can continue the hatred and division, just hide it better, and avoid talking about rape, trickle down, and the plight of those poor corporations who are "people too."

    Fail.
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    Let me get this straight .....democrats suck but Republicans suck too.....
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    Obama Is Bush.
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    Yeah, when he lost in 2000, Bush and Pals acted like they gave the Dems a sound whooping. When he actually won the popular vote by a fraction of a percent, he proclaimed he had a mandate.

    "I've earned political capital, and now I'm going to spend it."

    :ugh:

    Start thinking '14, pubbie congresscritters... start now, and think long and hard before "standing on principle" and tanking this country further, like you did with the debt cieling debacle. You are the problem, and the American people know it... if you're in a safe district, fear the primary. Teabaggers are polling somewhere south of atheists right now. Screw it up any more and you'll be looking with envy on the favorability ratings of terrorists and pedophiles.

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    #54 Jersey

    Yeah, I agree with some of the sentiment expressed by partisans on both sides here: the Pubs need to dump the neocon ideology as well as the Religious Right and get into the national discussion. If they do that, they'll be a viable party again.

    And yes, Romney got a lot of the vote, but I'm convinced most of those were not votes FOR Romney and the Pubs, but votes against Obama. If the Pubs had put forth even a decent candidate, Obama would be hitting the lecture circuit around Valentine's Day.

    2014 and 2016 might be interesting, or not...I'm just disappointed that the early returns on the third party candidates didn't pan out. We need reasonable, unsponsored (or less sponsored) voices in the national discourse.
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    That is correct! That's basically what the voting results tell us.
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    And if we don't, we get what we deserve....
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    I'm a conservative and the reason I was shocked was "I never beleieved people could be that stupid" to put that Clown back in there, as Oliver Stone said the other day "Obama is scary" Obama has to be scary for a left wing loon like Stone to come out publicly with something like that.
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    #32 Jersey

    Romney had nothing to give the X, Y generations, minorities and illegals. He opposed everything Obama had to give. Romney opposed the auto bail outs. If the economy falters again, Obama would be more prone to push for another auto bail out and not Romney. The "Have Nots" despise the people that "Have" and believe they should give up more of what theyve earned. Obama will see to that if he has his way. Romney wouldnt.

    All Romney could promise is a job.

    Obama brought free health care and free citizenship with his reelection. If the economy doesnt improve, many of his voters still will have free health care and unemployment. The illegals will have citizenship and free health care.

    You go with the sure thing. Romney wasnt the sure thing even if he was best suited to turn the economy around.
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    In other words, you vote your interests. Romney represented the interests of some, but not a majority of Americans. He promised the wealthy lower taxes, the militarists lots of military spending, and an economic plan that he failed to explain (massive tax cuts and massive deficit reduction). He promised the religious groups that he would use government to impede women's rights, and strongly implied that he would allow discrimination against gays and Hispanics. He promised the working poor that they would get less help from the government. He promised the middle class tax breaks, but never convinced people how he would do it -- his promises of tax cuts didn't ring true to enough people, and besides that a lot of people would rather have government services like healthcare than tax breaks.
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    #87 Jersey

    If the economy was a larger factor on the election then Obama would be ordering a huge transition right now. But it wasn't a huge issue - Romney is known in the voting world as a financial expert of some kind. His VP has the same reputation. There were many more issues out there and they are issues people vote more democrat than republican on.

    People can crunch numbers and point fingers ... I'm not wasting my time. The GOP needed a more rounded candidate or a more rounded VP. Why Romney picked a VP that plays to the same issues was stupid. A Latino or woman VP who leans left socially would have helped a ton - especially at campaign events. ryan did not even deliver Wisconsin.

    the forest Gump thing applys again ... "Stupid is as stupid does".
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    And now for the facts....

    The American people reelected at least 51 out of the 55 Tea Party Representatives back to the House (say it ain't so).

    Historically, mid-term elections have gone against the incumbent President's party 17 out of the last 20 elections in the House and 15 out of the last 20 in the Senate. The average loss in the House is 28 seats and the average loss for the Senate is 6 seats.

    Remember what happened in 2010....after your "mandate" in 2008? Utter historical destruction for the Democrats.

    So enjoy the next 2 years because the mid-terms are going to right the ship setting us up nicely for 2016 :D
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    Oh, the house is carved up for people to stick once they're in now. Losing 4 out of 55 teabaggers was a narrow escape, but the house of drunks is pretty much a self-sealing deal.

    10 pubbie senate seats up for grabs, 23 Democratic ones... and the Dems actually expanded their majority.

    Here's the thing: teabaggers can't pull any more stunts, or somebody primaries them in two years. The great moderate purge will be reversed one way or another in the pubbie party... and I would love for it to be because the teabaggers break away and run under the Tea Party ticket next election.

    Here's a clue: You can't outflank the bat-guano crazy teabagger crowd on the right. What's left? OOPS I told you.

    I'm more a fan of watching it all unfold than making big bold predictions -- I mean, look how idiotic all the con-men looked when it turned out there was a landslide they were on the wrong side of.

    Obama's got a mandate. Teabaggers have 2014 to worry about. Grover Norquist has an inane pledge to send around and a rapidly fading fad brand.

    We'll see how the next couple months go.

    Elections have consequences :D

    PFnV
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    By the way, you know pubbies have the house now, right?

    :ugh:
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    The Tea Party is pretty much dead. West, Mourdock, Akins, Walsh, all lost. Thanks to gerrymandering (which is completely legal), many Tea Partiers did hold onto their seat, but that pretty much screws the Republican Party more than the Democratic Party. The Republican Party I think will be forced to work with moderate Democrats and reject it's Tea Party wing. Some right wingers are saying the Republicans should simply allow the fiscal cliff to happen, but if they do that, the Democrats will come right back with a middle class tax cut to their liking putting the Republicans in an impossible position. How the midterms will play out is anyone's guess. The Republicans thought with something like 22 Democratic Senators and only 12 Republican Senators up this time they would make gains, maybe even gain control of the Senate. Instead they lost. There is nothing for the Republicans to celebrate. They were soundly rejected by the American people and are reducing to scrambling for an immigration amnesty because the demographics are against them. The same thing happened to the Republicans in the 1930s when the Democrats began embracing in a big way the immigrant population, while Republicans insisted on remaining the party of the Anglo-Saxons. Too many Republicans never learn. They are stuck in the past.
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    So the Tea Party gerrymandered 51+ seats...lol. Just plain lies. Every party gerrymanders seats when they have control, yet they still loss control when the people decide they want a change.
    If you didn't happen to notice, very few incumbents lost their seats including, in strength...The Tea Party.
    If the American people really wanted to take the Tea party out, they could have taken them out. I'm sure you remember the 2010 elections right? You guys lost 63 seats in the House....remember?
    So let's recap....the American people throw the Dems out of the House in 2010 with a historic 63 seat turnover. Then in 2012, they reelect at least 51 Tea Party candidates and give a very solid majority right back to the Republicans.
    Basically, except for a few seats in Congress that have zero effect on the balance of power, we have the exact same situation that we had before the election.
    Yes, overWHELMING victory for the Dems :rolleyes:

    BTW, in regards to the midterms...any election is anyone's guess. But there are historical tendencies in elections that are pretty consistent and one of them is mid term turnover for the party of the President. Hey, if you want to whistle by the graveyard, that's just fine by me but don't be surprised if the trend holds and you lose double digit seats in the House and and control of the Senate at the midterm.

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