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  1. Fencer

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    NFL Draft History: Full Draft - by Team has a convenient draft history.

    2000 Brady, a couple of short-term starters or contributors, and a bunch of washouts

    2001 One borderline HOFer, one borderline Pro Bowler, one borderline starter, and a bunch of washouts

    2002 Three starters -- two of whom have minor places in the record books -- a starter-equivalent DL, a backup QB, and a washout

    2003 Three Pro Bowlers or borderline Pro Bowlers, another starter

    2004 A Pro Bowler, a so-so starter, and a lot of washouts

    2005 A Pro Bowler, 3 so-so starters, and Cassel

    2006 A Pro Bowl kicker, 2 borderline starters, and a couple of minor contributors

    2007 A so-so starter, a contributor, and a bunch of washouts

    2008 A DROY and a bunch of remains-to-be-seens
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    Dude, this thread was a good idea. The exclusion of names, however, have rendered it kind of worthless.
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    psst.. click the link for the info your looking for..


    Good thread.. Actually reviewing the draft, we've done well over the Years.. And even with some of those MISSES, they helped out atleast (ie. Kleko and Bethel Johnson)
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    I know, but it would be a lot better for discussion if they were in the thread itself, is all I'm saying.
    I guess it would just make too much to talk about. I'm just curious how you track the wash-outs and such.

    What happened to the Rd. 3 pick from 2007?
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    It's now the #47 pick in this year's draft. :)
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    Brandon Meriweather seems to be a shade above a so so starter.. thought he really started to emerge by the end of last season. Associating names with your assessments would have been helpful.
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    I deliberately kept it uncluttered.

    One of my points is that everybody remembers there was a slump, but might be getting fuzzy on how long it lasted. I think I provided at least an approximate answer -- with your own spin depending in part on how important you think the kicker position is. ;)
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    Considering ours is our best scorer, hehe, pretty important?

    Yeah, as DarrylS said, you've got subjective assessments, so trying to guess who you meant is tricky.
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    This gets so very repetitive, so I'm not breaking down all of them. Here are two examples, though.....

    2005 didn't produce "A Pro Bowler, 3 so-so starters, and Cassel". It Produced 5 starters in 7 picks.

    Mankins
    Sanders
    Hobbs
    Cassel
    Kaczur
    Claridge
    Stokes

    It did that despite the team drafting last.

    2007 didn't produce "A so-so starter, a contributor, and a bunch of washouts". It produced a group of players which contributed hugely to a 16-0 season.

    Meriweather
    Welker (via traded pick(s))
    Moss (via traded pick(s))
    Brown
    Oldenburg
    Rogers
    Richardson
    Hairston
    Hilliard
    Lua
    Elgin

    And that was with 6 of the picks being 6th and 7th round picks trying to make what was an extremely deep team.

    The drafts have been among the very best in the NFL.
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    The bolds are a must-read for some people here;)
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    If anyone wants to see a bad draft, take a look at 97. Yeesh:ugh:
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    Yeah dooooooooooooooooood your forgetting Moss and Welker or are they still just so-so guys in your book :p
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    You do realize that the kicker is the leading scorer on almost every NFL team, don't you?

    Not trying to take anything away from Gostkowski; he is very accurate on FGs and has very good distance on his kickoffs, but being the team's leading scorer is a given.
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    I wouldn't credit the Patriots with being among the best in the

    NFL at drafting players. The Steelers, Colts, Chargers, and Giants

    are the elite drafting teams. The Patriots had very good drafts in

    2002, 2003, and 2005. In the other years, the first player or two

    was generally a very good player but the others drafted were not

    very good.
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    Oh, for crying out loud. What the hell do you think happens with other teams?
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    Good idea. At least it focuses on what most here really like to chat or read about. Off-season football related.:D
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    :confused:.....They weren't drafted by the Pats, unless you want to count the picks given up towards them.
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    uhuh-yipper.
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    Steelers since 2005:

    Heath Miller
    Bryant McFadden
    Trai Essex
    Fred Gibson
    Rian Wallace
    Chris Kemoeatu
    Shaun Nua
    Noah Herron

    Santonio Holmes
    Anthony Smith
    Willie Reid
    Willie Colon
    Orien Harris
    Omar Jacobs
    Charles Davis
    Marvin Philip
    Cedric Humes

    Lawrence Timmons
    Lamar Woodley
    Matt Spaeth
    Daniel Sepulveda
    Ryan McBean
    Cameron Stephenson
    William Gay
    Dallas Baker

    Jeff Otah (Not actually drafted by Pittsburgh, this is erroneously listed here by NFL.com)
    Rashard Mendenhall
    Limas Sweed
    Bruce Davis
    Tony Hills
    Dennis Dixon
    Mike Humpal
    Ryan Mundy
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    I think you are skewing it a bit.

    1.) First, Benjamin Watson is not a so-so starter. You can label him a disapointment based on his position, but he is a pretty good TE. Not great by any stretch, but pretty good.
    2.) I agree with the poster that Meriweather is better than a so-so starter.
    3.) Your analysis fails to point out that the 2006 draft only had one pick in the first three rounds and only 3 picks in the first five. They had six picks in the sixth and seventh rounds and even on a bad team, sixth and seventh round picks are far from slam dunks.
    4.) So far the 2008 draft has been a pretty good success. Wheatley looked to be coming on strong before he broke his wrist. O'Connell apears to be the #2 QB on the team which is what he was drafted for. Wilhite has been a solid contributor. Slater was a solid contributor on special teams which is good for a rookie 5th round pick. Ruud is still on the team which is good for a sixth rounder.
    5.) Le Kevin Smith has been a homerun as a sixth round pick since he stepped in and started last year and played fairly well.
    6.) You don't take into the fact that earlier in the decade, the Pats needed players to step in right away and start. Hence why some guys in later rounders got to play pretty quickly. Sometimes the difference between a later round pick being a solid starter or a guy who washes out of the league in a few years is more about opportunity than talent.

    I think the decline in the Pats' drafts have been overstated. You put the Pats' drafts up against most other teams the last three or four years and they hold up pretty well.
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    I think you need to differentiate between "solid starter" and "so-so starter."

    Not every guy you draft is going to be either Pro Bowl caliber or mediocre.
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    Did the Steelers actually draft Otah? Not sure why he's on there, since he plays for the Panthers.
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    I just copied down all the names on NFL.com...

    NFL Draft History: Full Draft - by Team

    Otah doesn't belong there, because it was just Mendenhall in round 1 last year. Thanks for catching that.... I'll try to edit, if it's not too late.


    Follow up: I was able to put a disclaimer in the list. Thanks again.
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    Bosh and Drivel. What happened with the 2007 second rounder? What happened with the 2007 4th rounder?

    Why Gee whiz... Surprise. A HOF Probowl receiver and a another probowl slot receiver. And no washouts. Sorry about that.:banned:
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    The Steelers draft well, no doubt. But take 2006, for example:

    A very good but not elite WR and a crappy OT.

    Early returns from their 2008 draft? Not promising.

    Here's Colts 2008:

    Chargers 2008:

    Chargers 2007:

    Giants 2002:

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    And this is bad? Selecting 11 pro bowlers and two certain Hall of Famers in 7 years?

    I'd say SPECTACULAR! :eek:
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    Oh geez. I wasn't prepared for people to be such jerks.

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    They weren't drafted, doooooooooooooooooooooood.
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    2000 is a counter-example to that. :)

    More generally: Having a superb hit rate on your most valuable picks makes you a drafting success, especially when you add a few gems in later rounds.
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    Yes.... people here have really lost their minds about what constitutes terrible/bad/good/great in various areas of football. The Patriots consistently draft at the bottom of drafts and are still among the top 5 teams drafting, and people put down the drafts as poor or mediocre.

    Every player who doesn't pan out is a bust, no matter what route got him to New England. A 7th round pick that doesn't make it is a bust. A low level free agent who doesn't make the team is a disaster. A player traded for that doesn't make the grade is a sign of the apocalypse. The team isn't allowed to be imperfect, because too many of the fans have allowed the team's success to spoil them.
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