The all-in 1st round scenario

Discussion in 'Patriots Draft Talk' started by patchick, Apr 8, 2008.

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  1. patchick

    patchick Moderatrix Staff Member Supporter

    #50 Jersey

    I've been part of the "no CB at #7!" chorus, and I'm not wavering. BUT...a CB after a trade down is a different matter, especially if you can still wrangle yourself a pass rusher. So suppose your goal is to reconstruct the 2 #1s and come away with 2 impact players, and to heck with everything else?

    TRADE, swap 1st & 2nd-round picks with Cinci, Bengals take Ellis at #7.
    #9: Leodis McKelvin

    TRADE: Patriots send #46, #69 and a 2009 3rd to Seattle for #25
    #25: Quentin Groves

    You then sit for the next 70 picks, but you've added two explosive young talents to lay a new foundation of youth and speed on defense.

  2. ctpatsfan77

    ctpatsfan77 Supporter Supporter

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    Well, that exact scenario depends on Seattle being willing to trade out of the first round again. :) But I could see Dallas doing that with one of their picks. It's also possible that you might end up with a 'bidding war' for the pick, depending on who's left at that point.

    The plan certainly sounds good, though, and I wouldn't be all that upset if they did that (some might quibble about your choice of CBs, though :) ).
  3. WhiZa

    WhiZa Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    I like the picks. I still can't see Cinn (Ellis) or Baltimore (Ryan) trading up for a player that will fall to them anyway.
  4. JoePats

    JoePats In the Starting Line-Up

    I agree, unless the Pats can convince those teams that if they don't make the trade with NE then NE will make the trade with some other team that wants Ryan or Ellis (Carolina for example).
  5. patchick

    patchick Moderatrix Staff Member Supporter

    #50 Jersey

    That's definitely the idea. There are a bunch of teams in need of a DT and a significant dropoff after Ellis, so I think the Bengals would have to bite the bullet and move up.

    I'm not totally sold that any of it could happen, but I think it's at least plausible. There's a lot to be said for not compromising on either CB or OLB. The more modest alternate version is to make the Cinci trade, grab your favorite CB then hope for Cliff Avril at 46 and still have #69 to play with.
  6. jeffbiologist

    jeffbiologist Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    I still think the pats build from the line out. We dont need a DL, so it HAS to be a OL that can play more than 1 position. I like the idea of trading with a team 10-13 BOTH picks(1 & 2)to move up in the 2nd to get Avril. I think we have been looking at 2nd day CBs for a while and if we can get any kind of pass rusher OLB that would make up the difference in CB talent.
    The problem with your scenario is that it creates "holes" in the draft. Thats what we DONT like. They want a pick every 20-30 picks to pick up VALUE throughout the draft. I would want all my apples in one basket too, his name is Chris Long!
  7. patchick

    patchick Moderatrix Staff Member Supporter

    #50 Jersey

    I'm assuming that you're contradicting yourself on purpose, which is fine. :)

    I'd love Chris Long too, but when it comes down to it I think I'd rather put "all my apples" in two baskets.
  8. 14thDragon

    14thDragon Third String But Playing on Special Teams

    I understand the whole, inside to out theory, but eventualy you have to get to the out, you cannot stay inside every year. I think the inside is pretty much done at this point and the team needs some help on the out part. Historically the B/P regime has only taken an O-lineman in the first round once, and that was at 32.

    Right now I really see two ways of going. Either trade up and get Gholston or Long. It will be painful, but sometimes that is the price. Or trade down, agressively trade down. The Saints need to move up to get Ellis, so let them, take a slightly bad deal points wise and move down to 10, then when it comes time, maybe make another move down to let someone get the 3rd best left-tackle or DE. Drop down into the low teens early twenties, then take a Cason or Groves. Then move up in the second to get either the pass rusher or CB that is available.

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  9. VJCPatriot

    VJCPatriot Pro Bowl Player

    I like McKelvin, Groves, Clady, Gholston, DRC, Cason as Patriots type players. If we manage to end up with 2 of those, I'm happy.
  10. I cant make threads
    jacking this one
    NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports that the Patriots will host CBs Leodis McKelvin, Antoine Cason, Dominque Rodgers-Cromartie, and Aquib Talib this week.
    Keith Rivers and Glenn Dorsey are also visiting Foxborough as the Pats' visits have a decididly defensive feel. Still we wouldn't rule out the Patriots beefing up their lines. Sedrick Ellis and Branden Albert are two popular possibilties.
  11. Jimke

    Jimke In the Starting Line-Up

    I like your idea. Quality not quantity. New Orleans might be a

    better trade partner because they have more salary cap room.

    If the Pats are not able to swing this trade, they might be able

    to trade their #2 pick plus the Oakland #3 for one of Atlanta's

    early 2nd round picks. Atlanta is looking for a trade partner.
    Last edited: Apr 9, 2008
  12. SamBamsFan

    SamBamsFan Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    Didn't the Jets do this last year?
  13. pats1

    pats1 Moderator Supporter

    Yeah, except turn the 70 into about 250.
  14. Jimke

    Jimke In the Starting Line-Up

    The Jets gutted their draft to get two quality players. Even so,

    the Jet have six players from the 2007 draft on their roster: four

    Jet draftees and two Patriot draftees.
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  15. patchick

    patchick Moderatrix Staff Member Supporter

    #50 Jersey

    Even more dramatically -- they traded up twice, turning 4 (or 5?) picks into 2; this is one trade down and one trade up, turning 3 picks into 2.
  16. apple strudel

    apple strudel Banned

    Personally I don't see Groves going that low in the first round - based on his pass-rush abilities alone. If he does, though, 25 is the place to get him if he's available because of Jacksonville. I like Groves, maybe even at #7. BB will have a good scouting report from Saban about him since Alabama played Auburn in the last game of the season last year.

    Groves and McKelvin is a draft to die for :D - only I don't see it happening. Teams like Minnesota also need a pass rusher and 17 is not too high for Groves. I've also seen McKelvin going at 8 to the Ravens if Ryan doesn't fall since they have such old corners. Very hard scenario to work out.
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