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  1. manxman2601

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    With less than two weeks to go, the official list for the NFL Combine is out:

    2013 Official Invite List | NFL Combine

    Dane Brugler has a list of the noticeable absentees:

    2013 NFL Draft: Top 10 Combine Snubs - CBSSports

    Very surprised to see 'Bama's TE, Michael Williams won't be present. I know he's not going to wow anybody athletically but even so.

    also disappointed that Harvard TE Kyle Juszczyk won't be present, was looking forward to seeing how fast he was and to watch him catching the ball.
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    The name that jumped out at me was Kenny Tate. It wasn't that long ago that he was touted as a sure fire 1st rounder. I know he changed positions, but still. To go from 1st rounder to not even a Combine invite is, to me, a huge snub.
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    I'm a little surprised LSU's Russell Sheppard didn't get an invite.
    He was decent at the Sr. Bowl.

    Plus, a lot of intrigue in terms of where he'll play at the next level (if he plays at the next level).
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    I'm disappointed my Super Binkie Michael Williams didn't get an invite. But I guess there is nothing at the combine that is gonna prove even further that he will be the most dominant blocking TE in the NFL. I was hoping to see how his athleticism translates because I think he could surprise some people, but I guess we will just have to wait until the Bama Pro Day.

    Some of the other guys that surprised me were Wes Horton, Curtis McNeal, Rashard Hall and Anthony McCloud. I thought they were all worth an invite at least.
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    Twitter is reporting that Lane Johnson ran a 4.67 in combine training. The fastest OL at the combine in the last eight years was Allen Babre at 4.84. Incredible!
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    We all know that straight line speed means nothing for an OL. Still this will inevitably improve his draft speed as some GM/scouts will become enamored with the athleticism that the 40 yard mark reprsents in their minds. I'm sure if Al Davis were still in charge Johnson woud automatically become the Raiders first round pick this year.
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    Johnson was considered a 1st round pick even prior to the report of how he did running the 40 came out. Things that this DOES tell people is that he should have very good explosion coming out of his stance for run blocking. From what I've read (as I mentioned in the prospect thread, I haven't watched the Senior Bowl tape yet), he's a natural bender and has good footwork as well as a strong hand punch and long arms (35") The speed of the 40 could help people determine on whether or not he can pull and get to the second level.

    If that speed does translate into explosion off the snap, there's a good chance that teams who like to run the ball will look at him as a mauling right tackle to run behind without the help of a TE. Which could help almost any offense.
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    Offensice Linemen are getting measured today. Some notes from what I've learned from twitter so far:

    One knock on Jon Cooper was his size. But he measured in at 6'2" and 311 lbs compared to 6'2", 317lbs for Chance Warmack. No noticeable difference there.

    Menelik Watson measured in at 6'5" 310lbs with 34" arms. For comparison, Luke Joeckel was 6'6", 303 and 34.5" arms so not too bad for Watson. Not ideal for a Pats RT (would prefer 6'7 or so) but not terrible.
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    Keenan Allen not to participate due to pcl injury.

    Barkley is waiting for his pro day to throw. Big turnoff. To each his own.
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    He still isn't 100% after his shoulder injury. Probably a smart move when his arm strength has been questioned.
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    If there was going to be a surprise pick for the Pats, I think Gavin Escobar might be it. I think he's a better prospect than Ertz and maybe even Eifert. He measures really nicely too:

    https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/304619428170059776
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    He injured that thing in November? It's been 3 months post injury now. Isn't that a little concerning that he isn't going to throw? As an outsider without the facts it makes me wonder why a 22 year old kid couldn't heal enough to 100% in 3 months to go out and perform for scouts.
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    Dj Fluker dropped 16 pounds since the senior bowl weighing in at 339.
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    He's not received Doctor's clearance to start throwing beyond what he's doing in rehab. When millions are on the line, its better safe than sorry from his perspective.
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    Dying to see Cooper in the drills. He can dispel some of his strength critics with a good showing.
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    Good on Allen not participating. Pats could get a crack at him.
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    Jordan Reed: 6'2.5 236 pounds. If he runs fast enough he might as well be called a WR this draft. Is there a smaller TE anyone can think of? Hernandez is 6'2 245 pounds.


    EDIT: holy crap Toilolo 6'8 and 34 1/2 inch arms, gimme! :D
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    Jordan Reed is a former top QB recruit, so he's an athlete.
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    For tight end I really like Travis Kelce from Cincinnati as a later selection in round 4 or 5 if he's there. I feel he may rise up the boards a little bit. He's an athletic former quarterback, late bloomer at the position but can really block and catch and has great size. I would love for the Pats to add him later on.
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    I like him too but he WILL rise up the boards. Can't see him going later than the 3rd. I'm a Nick Kasa fan - Gronk size and athleticism but will likely go 4th to 5th because he's new to the position.

    Gavin Escobar is really good though. I saw someone suggest he'll be the best TE of the class eventually and I think they may be right.
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    That's been my concern is that he will rise up---when I first saw him play this year I couldn't find him on any lists, and I just checked and now he's in the top 75 on NFL.com :eek:. We're on the same page, I love Kasa too. He has tremendous size and can block, and got to play against high level competition on a bad team so he's undervalued. I'll have to look into Escobar, not familiar with him. There's a number of nice TE prospects in the mid rounds of this draft, and I hope BB notices and takes advantage. The 2 TE offense is great, but it needs to have two productive players. Having Gronk, Hernandez, Ballard and a rookie would allow them to save a little money with no Fells/Hooa and be more productive than they were this year.
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    I like Wagner. Could definitely be a starting RT candidate as a rookie if Vollmer moves on.
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    One of my favourites:

    https://twitter.com/Ron_Clements/status/304705405399998464

    Since 1999, only one OT has had a vert greater than 35" and that was only 35.5". and only two have run in the 4.7's (Bruce Campbell and Joe Staley).

    Something to keep an eye on.

    By the way, this is an excellent resource for tracking previous results in an easy to access format.

    NFL Combine Results - Historical NFL Scouting Combine Data

    Just click on NFL Combine Data at the top of the page.
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    manx, do you have any intriguing RG prospects that I should be keeping my eye on?
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    Well for the Patriots, an OG is likely to be a OT in college. Bakhtiari of Colorado is certainly a possibility because he can play all 5 OL positions (and we've interviewed him) and I wouldn't look far beyond Armstead because of his athleticism. Brian Winters also looks like he might be a fit; has the nasty the Patriots like. Also keep an eye out for good beards :D

    Whilst it's not definitive, a vert of around 30" or better seems to be a fairly consistent indicator so I'd be looking for an OT with a good vertical jump.
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    How about Hugh Thornton of Illinois. He's a ex-wrester which is familiar:

    2013 Combine notes: Bakhtiari latest Colorado offensive line product - CBSSports
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    He's my favorite late-round OT, but that might be changing if his stock increases too much. Had Jackie Slater as his OL coach.

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