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  1. dryheat44

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    Hello again. This list could be added to or subtracted from depending on extraordinary workouts, Injury or Character red flags, or whatever, but if I'm Bill Belichick, and we're all glad that I'm not, here's how my draft value board stands today:

    Tier 1 -- Value #1-#8
    Jake Long OT Michigan
    Chris Long LB Virginia
    Glenn Dorsey DE Georgia Tech

    Tier 2 -- Value #9-#20
    Sedric Ellis DE USC
    Vernon Gholston LB Ohio St
    Ryan Clady OT Boise St
    Quentin Groves LB Auburn
    Leodis McKelvin CB Troy

    Tier 3 -- Value #21-#35
    Chad Henne QB Michigan
    Felix Jones RB Arkansas
    Andre Caldwell WR Florida
    Malcolm Kelly WR Oklahoma
    Devin Thomas WR Michigan St
    Limas Sweed WR Texas
    Early Doucett WR LSU
    Chris Williams OT Vanderbilt
    Brandon Albert G Virginia
    Derrick Harvey LB Florida
    Kentwan Balmer DE North Carolina
    Aqib Talib CB Kansas

    Tier 4 -- Value #36-#55
    Joe Flacco QB Delaware
    Earl Bennett WR Vanderbilt
    James Hardy WR Indiana
    Anthony Collins OT Kansas
    Gosder Cherilus OT Boston College
    Cliff Avril LB Purdue
    Erin Henderson LB Maryland
    Jerod Mayo LB Tennessee
    Johnathan Goff LB Vanderbilt
    Red Bryant NT Texas A&M
    Tracy Porter CB Indiana
    Branden Flowers CB Virginia Tech
    Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie CB Tennessee St
    Antoine Cason CB Arizona
    Reggie Smith DB Oklahoma

    Tier 5 -- Value #56-#75
    Matt Forte RB Tulane
    Eddie Royal WR Virginia Tech
    Eric Young G Tennessee
    Ezra Butler LB Nevada
    Pat Sims DE Auburn
    Marcus Harrison DE Arkansas
    Trevor Laws DE Notre Dame
    Patrick Lee CB Auburn
    Quentin Demps S UTEP

    Tier 6 -- Value #76-#100
    Chris Johnson RB East Carolina
    Oneil Cousins OL UTEP
    Charles Godfrey CB Iowa
    Chevis Jackson DB LSU
    Simeon Castille DB Alabama
    Tom Zbikowski S Notre Dame
    Jamar Adams S Michigan
    Josh Barrett S Arizona St

    Tier 7 -- Value #101-#125
    Josh Johnson QB San Diego
    Kevin Smith RB Central Florida
    Owen Schmitt FB/TE West Virginia
    Jacob Hester RB LSU
    Brad Cottam TE Tennessee
    John Greco OT Toledo
    Mike Pollack C Arizona St
    Stanford Keglar LB Purdue
    Jeremy Thompson LB Wake Forest
    Ahtyba Rubin NT Iowa St
    Frank Okam NT Texas

    Tier 8 -- Value #126-#150
    Erik Ainge QB Tennessee
    Ray Rice RB Rutgers
    Lavelle Hawkins WR California
    Craig Stevens TE California
    Kellen Davis TE Michigan St
    Duane Brown OT Virginia Tech
    Drew Radovich G USC
    Jeremy Zuttah G Rutgers
    Kory Lichtensteiger C Bowling Green
    John Sullivan C Notre Dame
    Chase Ortiz ILB TCU
    Dwight Lowery CB San Jose St
    Jonathan Zenon CB LSU
    Jonathan Wilhite CB Auburn
    Craig Steltz S LSU

    Tier 9 -- Value #151-#200
    Sam Kellar QB Nebraska
    Thomas Brown RB Georgia
    Justin Forsett RB California
    Peyton Hillis FB Texas
    Chauncey Washington RB USC
    Jalen Parmele RB Toledo
    Marcus Henry WR Kansas
    Paul Hubbard WR Wisconsin
    Jerome Simpson WR Coastal Carolina
    Gary Barnidge TE Louisville
    Drew Miller C Florida
    Trevor Scott LB Buffalo
    Gary Guyton LB Georgia Tech
    Jameel McClain LB Syracuse
    Hilee Taylor LB North Carolina
    Jeremy Leman LB Illinois
    Nick Hayden DE Wisconsin
    Jack Ikeguonu CB Wisconsin
    Bob Williams S Bethune-Cookman

    Tier 10 -- Value #201-UDFA
    Seth Adams QB Mississippi
    Albert Young RB Iowa
    Marcus Thomas RB UTEP
    Keon Lattimore RB Maryland
    Justin Beaver RB Wisconsin - Whitewater
    Bo Ruud ILB Nebraska
    Roderick Johnson ILB Oklahoma St
    Jason Thornhill ILB Michigan St
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    I think Gholston has to be in tier 1.
    I'm not as high on Groves as others and I think he should be in tier 3.
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    Also, I think DRC has to be tier #2. I know you maybe doing that based upon where he played, but look at the Senior Bowl and the Combine, has is going to be the first Corner off the board. I am alot higher on him then most and really think he is the only corner I'd consider at #7.
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    Based on what I know, I don't feel comfortable placing him any higher. You might be right, but I refuse to buy into the DRC hype without seeing at least three game films. He might be the best cornerback in the nation...but I won't say he is without seeing some proof. I can't in good conscience rank him ahead of Cason or Flowers -- two corners who played extremely well in D-1 schools for two years.

    There's no denying his athleticism. I mean, the dude won three events at the OVC indoor track championships, and placed second in another. But due to a lack of familiarity between QB and WR, and the offense playing a basic system (maybe four routes) that a highly-recruited High School cornerback could diagnose and cover, the Senior Bowl is always slanted towards the defensive backs.
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    I defintely understand were your coming from when you talk about DRC> From what I saw (limited) I think he has all the skill in the world to be a top flight corner in this league. Why don't you have Gholston in tier 1? Especially after his Pro Day. I think now there is a legitimate shot that he may know go ahead of Chris Long.
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    For as much as I like him, he's still a conversion project. Don't get me wrong, though -- if he's on the board at #7, I'm taking him.
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    You make some good points but I'd still be all over DRC or Cason if they fell to #34. I'd certainly have them above Talib.
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    I would never draft Talib. Why does everyone on this board love Groves? I defintely consider him if we moved down, but I feel he is a boom or bust type. I am a bit intrigued by him, but I don't feel he is a pro bowl type of player you take in the top 10. I'm starting to think more and more that Glen Dorsey could be a possiblilty at #7. You can never have enough do D-Lineman. This guy is a beast whom I could easily see falling to #7. Not the same for Ellis who I'm not as high on. Also, let's say worst scenario plays out, Gholston, both Longs, Dorsey are gone would you take McFadden at #7?
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    and where is McFadden supposed to be?
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    What do you mean?
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    No, I'd probably take Clady. I don't know where McFadden fits. He's got character issues, intelligence issues, toughness issues, and I'm not sure he's much of an improvement over Maroney in a passing offense. I left McFadden off because he'd have to fall into the second round for me to take him, and I don't see that happening.
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    I'd love the two-headed monster of Maroney and McFadden, along with our passing Offense I think it would be incredible to watch. Although, I much rather have a defensive player taken at #7. I do think McFadden could be a possibility, if certain people are not there.Yes, he does have some off the field issues, but I'd rather guarantee 17 million to him then say Clady, Groves, or McKelvin. Also, Maroney does have an injury history. This all being said, I highly doubt the Patriots would take him at #7. But, I think it warrants some consideration.
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    Interesting you put Chris Long as a LB. It looks like he may be losing weight as his 272 at the combine was the lowest I've seen him listed at. Do you think he's trying to market himself as a replacement to Jason Taylor? :)
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    First of Heatster, I commend you on a job well done. I am working on my board as well and it is very difficult this year. A couple of things I noticed that I wanted to comment.

    For me, I think that some of the WR's are just a little too high. I cannot think of a single wide reciever that I would give a first round grade to for any team, let alone the patriots, but that is just me.

    Also, I do not see the name Beau Bell on that list anywhere. Is this by design or just a name that you may have forgotten? I bring him up because I think he fits the Patriots system perfectly inside and he is a playmaker. Thoughts?


    again, great job.
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    Except that McFadden wouldn't create a two-headed monster. McFadden is an over-hyped RB and I have to agree with DH on this. No way I'd want mcFadden on this team.

    If you'd rather give McFaddne 17 million over someone like Clady or Groves, then I have some nice ocean front property in New Mexico for you if you are looking for an investment opportunity.

    Why does McFadden at 7 warrant consideration? He's not nearly as talented as people think. And he has a major fumbling issue. In fact, he makes Kevin Faulk's early years look like Faulk was immunie to fumbling. And we all know that's not the truth.
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    There's no way McFadden is not taken before round 1 is over, the same is true of DRC. Some rather questionable rankings here. I don't see that many receivers going that early either.
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    This is his personal rankings of players. NOT how he thinks they"ll be drafted.

    I cringe at the reaction you might give if you ever saw BB and Pioli's board.
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    Yes, we are glad you are not BB or SP :) for that matter we are all glad they get to pick the groceries. Looking at free agency I think they have high expectations from this draft class. The easy thing would be to sign Haggans, Chillar, Hobson to fill in the voids but instead the are hanging back. I suspect if they don't get the fit they want after the draft we will see some real JAGs added to the roster.

    Tough job doing these rankings, especially beyond pick 25. The players quickly turn into a pile of huddled masses.

    A name I expected to see in tier 2 was Mike Jenkins. He is a pretty good corner, I expect him to be drafted in the top 15.
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    I think Heatster did a great job with his list. I may not agree with all of them (Ray Rice in the 4th round, are you nuts?) but I agree that Jenkins isn't in the 2nd tier when it comes to the Patriots. I haven't likes Jenkins at all for the Patriots, in all honesty. Jenkins is probably a player who will end up playing free safety sooner rather than later with those tight hips and bad transition skills.

    Jenkins actually had the worst 3 cone, broad jump, 10 yard split and shuttle of the top 5 CBs (Jenkins, Talib, Cason, McKelvin, and D R-C).
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    Easy for you to say that about something neither you or I will ever see. That's like saying I cringe at you seeing Gisele Bundchen's panties.
    Not GONNA HAPPEN.

    Now if you have nothing else of merit to add, why don't you give your own rankings? I haven't seen so much as a mock draft from you.
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