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    How could anyone besides racist christian white males who hate everyone else that isn't one. The red scale shows you that America is conservative society that has no tolerance for anyone that isn't some capitalist. All the tv shows such as Leave it to the Beaver suck since it's sooo outdated compare to the shows today. Porn wasn't as big and that sucks, since I think it does great deal to this world to show love. We are still dealing with people who think the government shouldn't legalize porn and nudity. Bill Clinton gave the middle finger to the so called "family values" conservatives.


    I would rather live in 2011 then in 1957.
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    Not I, the 50's despite the commie hysteria were very good times, the world was small, we played ball in the corner lot, played basketball outside in the winter under a street light, went to the YMCA on Saturday Mornings and swam naked, we all stayed close to home with our friends and family, drank orange soda and ate schuler potato chips.. home when the street lights came on.

    We were all too innocent, but that was a good thing.. violence was a foreign thing, so when Whitman went on his rampage in Texas it was a wake up call. We had one car, some might call it a "family truckster" that fathers worked on on Saturday and when we went for a ride we packed our lunch there were no seatbelts, and the dashboard was made of metal.

    We did not watch black and white TV all that much, radio shared the airwaves... went to a lot of ballgames.. we read a lot and used to sneak the red sox game in my bedroom after I was supposed to be sleeping.. the smooth tones of Curt Gowdy still resonate.. one time the Celtics played the LA Lakers in an exhibiition in my home town. Saw Lew Alcindor play for Power Memorial at the ESCIT Tournament.

    The 60's changed all of that...
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    When I was a kid in the summer I went out to start playing with my friends right after breakfast, played till lunch, went out and played till dinner, then played till 9-10, nobody worried about getting kidnapped or molested. I had far more freedom to be a child than kids today have I feel bad for what they missed out on.

    Shows what happens when you read about something (written by people with an agenda?) instead of experiencing it.

    Agree with all of what Darryl said also.
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    Leave it to Beaver makes me laugh. No it didn't take on social issues like race or politics(did expose the Eddie Haskel's of the world) but it did try to create a message of honesty, work ethics, respect for parents and teachers, importance of true friends......though it was one of the dirtiest shows on TV. Did you see the episode where June said to Ward at breakfast; "don't you think you were a little hard on the beaver last night?";)
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    we did that when I was a kid, too -- in the 70s and 80s

    I agree with you re kids today, but I wonder how much of it is that times have actually changed versus parents just being more aware (and overreacting to? easy for me to say, I realize) of potential dangers.

    That said, much of what the OP said is true as well. There are always pros and cons of change. There are issues today that didn't exist half a century ago, but there is much that is better, as well.
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    Check out the cars and listen to the music, you ignorant f--k.

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    Well, if I want to watch stuff with a message then I would watch some documentry. I'm honesty but I have mixed feelings on my parents and teachers. I find the Honymooners to be more realistic then the Clevers are today. I tend to like stuff from today such as Comedy Central and Adult Swim, as well as HBO.


    One thing that was great about the 1950's was the tax rates and the growth of the middle class. Lot of progressives tend to have this part of the 50's favorable.
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    If you think it was better then, then I would argue it was either because you were a kid or part of a favored class. Things are much better today.

    This is especially true of our children today that are smarter, healthier and more enlightened than their counterparts 60 years ago.
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    Better? My parents both worked, sometimes two jobs. The highlight if the week was Sunday night when our treat for the week was a pot of popcorn popped on the stove and a pitcher of cool aid. We'd sit down as a family and watch Walt Disney. We had one beat up old car, one second hand TV with three channels, almost never ate out and my outfits consisted of my brothers hand-me-downs. Credit cards didn't exist as they do today, so what you owned, you owned. I never felt it but my family was poor based on today's standards and expectations. I guess I wasn't enlightened enough to know I had it so bad.

    There's an old Carly Simon song that that has a verse that I first heard back int the 70's that really fits here: "I can't help feeling a little bit blue, thinking 'bout the precious nothings I once knew". We've been enlightened some and that's good, but we've also lost some good things along the way. I also think a lot of people today that didn't grow up then are a little arrogant about their "states of goodness's". If that's any of you then get over it, you simply fell into it.
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    Not so sure of that, things were much simpler, the expectations were real for all and even though there were rich and poor, there were far more middle class getting by. Many families were recovering from the effects of World War II Moms usually did not work, they belonged to the local church ladies group or girl scouts. We ate roasts on Sunday, with overbaked potatoes and a nice portion of Veg All. My parents house cost $13,500 and they paid it off in 10 years...

    You did not have to be that much smarter then, there were many entry level jobs in which you could find reasonable fulfillment and you could switch jobs easily. My father went to Indiana Tech for engineering on the GI Bill, and when he graduated(1951) we went back to Newport and he became an engineer working on the Mark 44 Torpedo.. when we travelled back and forth from Indiana we slept in the car.

    Arguably healthier now, but drug addiction only happened in NYC. Autism, learning disabilities, HIV and many other illnesses were unknown. Polio gave us a good scare, but Salk figured it out. Pregnant girls went to special places to have their babies. My doctor used to smoke while he examined us, Lucky's I believe. Aside from some broken fingers, an occasional broken arm do not remember anyone who was really sickly..
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    Nothing beats the late 60's and all of the 70's because that's when I grew up!

    Seriously, in response to Chico, parents do over-react today to imagined threats. In the summer, my mom didn't see me except for lunch and when it got dark. "Did you have a good day, Honey?" was the greeting I got when I came home. We rode our bikes as far as we could. We spent all day down at the pond. We had one week of vacation at the beach. Maybe saw three of four movies all summer. Not once did I ever hear of a kid being kidnapped. Crazy people were locked up. Crooks who were sentenced to 5-to-10 actually did 5-to-10.

    Kids don't get kidnapped as often as it seems and they get abused a lot less. Kids are safer today than they ever have been, but you wouldn'y know it looking at the helicopter parents of today. Nothing can be done without adult supervision, and we'll be seeing the effects of the first generation to come of age after "free range kids" became outlawed. Thanks a lot, John Walsh.
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    Yeah, we do conjure up a lot of fear but you know what? Your parents and mine might be reported to the proper authorities for child neglect today by nosy do-gooders. Prosecutors run for and get elected by tough on crime campaigns and the put away minor offenders by the truck loads to prove it but I digress.
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    Yes, nostalgia is a wonderful thing and I am sure most fondly recall the simplicity of their childhoods. I think most of that is a mater of perspective, of course. We look at the world and parenting of today through an adults eyes, whereas we had a much more innocent and ignorant view of the world when we were growing up.

    I would still say an objective view of parenting today versus then would show today's to be for the most part better. I look at my children and, despite having far less freedom, I see far more confident and well-rounded children as compared to myself at my age. I think many like to think back positively on all the free time they had as a child but I think for the vast majority it simply resulted in bored under-stimulated children and led to more bad habits then good ones.
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    Not so sure of that. Maybe I'm being romantic.

    I can't remember being bored where I lived. Three families to a house, houses right next to each other. Waiting for winners at the courts every night. Pickup games at the diamond every nice day. Street hockey behind the church. Pond hockey without helmets or pads (couldn't afford them). No adults in sight. Freedom for kids builds character, creativity, communication skills, courage, and wisdom.

    Are you confusing "well-rounded" with "adult-like" or "compliant"?
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    Children are definately NOT healthier today...see childhood obesity trends 1950 to present.:rolleyes:

    Smarter & more enlightened? Who knows? Do you have data that confirms these opinions? If so, I'd love to read it.
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    We didn't have the internet, video games and only 3-4 television stations, so we had no choice but to PLAY! And I'm very grateful we did!

    Nice post Wistah!
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    Every era has it's benefits and drawbacks. There are some definate positives today, that didn't exist years ago, but from a certain pov, I think life was easier 20-30+ years ago, than it is today. Obviously that's not going to be the case for everyone. I'm sure if you're gay, or black, you'd prefer the 21st century to the 20th, for obvious reasons. As it related to me though, I think life was simpler then. No cell phones, or internet. No texting or emails. One TV in the house for the most part, probably only one car. No call waiting even. Most people could survive on one income, which meant more homes with a parent inside at all times. Overall, I think life was simpler, and to me, better. Being from a generation that pretty much crossed the recent electronic revolution, it's an open debate as to whether or not I'd trade all the technical advancements of today, for the simplicity of 70's and 80's.

    One thing I will say that sucks today compared to the past, is people skills. today, people email, text, and IM you instead of talk you in person, or even on the phone. Kids play video games alone at home, instead of actual games outdoors with friends. I think one of the consequences of technology, is the ever evaporating ability to deal with people more personally. Among other things anyway.
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    Not nostalgic at all, what is described is what many of us experienced.. it is not waxing poetic, it is what it is a simpler time and most of us lived outside, playing ball, riding bikes, going to the beach and just goofing around.. checking in for meals.

    Well rounded is a subjective term, and may be more relevant to the current day and age.. we were well rounded at that time as well, but did not have the influences that are present today... some are good and some are bad, but most us wound up with a pretty good education and a good work ethic, we never got something for nothing.

    We used to caddy at a local golf club, no one gave us rides, we walked 3 milies to the course.. if we were lucky we would carry doubles or get out twice. Loved to caddy for women, hit the ball straight and never farted. Then on Monday got to play golf for free...

    Nostalgic, maybe.. the reality life was very good then, and I often would have liked my kids and grandkids to experience those less complicated times...
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    No, I mean well-rounded. I think most examples of these freedoms we had as kids are of playing sports, fishing or swimming. I wouldn't call that well-rounded. Children today I believe are exposed to much more in the way of science, music, arts and culture. Even the toys of today reflect that with a focus on more educational toys, which hardly even existed then. They also generally have access to much more information then we were ever exposed to then. And while freedom allows for some kids to build character, creativity etc, it probably didn't for a good portion. Not every kid was athletic or even had an interest in sports. Some kids prospered in that environment others didn't. And what about girls? My daughters are very athletic, playing all sorts of sports, but are hardly tom-boys. Would they have been as well-rounded then?

    I think we are overstating the roll "freedom" plays in teaching our children to become leaders and build character. Sending out your children to their own devices day after day is not "teaching". Its a justification of lazy parenting. That was acceptable once upon a time but it isn't today. That is a good thing. That's not to say that children should be devoid of any freedom either. As with most things, a balance is best.
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    Fair point regarding health, I was thinking more in regards to the general medical advances especially with regards to children with needs. There is no doubt that we know more today about learning disabilities and how to address special needs.

    As for smarter and more enlightened. I think enlightened is generally a given when you consider how bigoted and uninformed people were in the 50's, 60's and even 70s. Smarter is also pretty clear given high school drop out rates: High School Dropout Rates by Gender, 1960–2008 — Infoplease.com and the upsurge in college graduates as well.
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    Is this really true? I mean you think kids really learned people skills simply by talking on the playground? I don't remember the popular kids being very good public speakers.
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    Do you really think kids today aren't exposed to these things? They are.
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    Every decade had its problems. I'm a child of the 80's and a lot of bad stuff occurred back then. The 1950's had these issues:

    1). J. Edgar Hoover
    2). Joe McCarthy
    3). "Separate but Equal" in the South
    4). Korean War
    5). Gay people (They are deviants, so lets pretend they don't exist).

    The 1950's also had great things like the GI Bill that allowed millions of Americans to buy homes and raise family's on a decent living wage. Mr. Smith would go to work at the Factory, while Mrs Smith would stay home raising the kids.

    You could also get wasted, smash your car, and not get arrested.
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    Not to the same degree, the tendency to get children involved with electronic babysitting, the advent of cell phones at earlier ages, the access to computers, video games, learning systems etc. all preclude less involvement with other children. Some say it makes kids smarter, but my POV is that is makes them more dependent on things rather than people.

    They are exposed, but to a lesser extent...
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    But the difference was that we did not know about most of that stuff, now news cycles in 5 minute intervals and then it occurred daily if not weekly. Joe McCarthy's antics occurred in a far away place, but the good nuns kept us aware of the "Red Menace".. the Korean War ended, but do not remember many vets from that excursion... separate but equal in the South did not come to the forefront until the late 50's, Gay People(fags) were pretty much closeted.. Heroin only occurred in NYC.. so it was difference.

    The only current events that we ever learned in school was how great the Holy Catholic Apostolic Church was and why we should be afraid of the commies.

    My contention was that due to the lack of overall media, we were just not as aware of what was going on.. there were three major TV channels and just a couple of AM Radio Stations.. it was quite different.
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    I would not want to go back to live in the 60's now, but given the choice of which period I could be a child in, I'll take the 60's every time.

    The OP keeps bringing up parenting today vs. parenting "back then". In both cases, I believe parents did the best they could. I know today's parents don't "care" about their children any more than ours did, but like all parents, they probably want to make sure they don't make the same mistakes their parents did.

    But the net result is that I think parents today are over-protective. I am not a fan of things like "every game ends in a tie" nor the micro-teaching methods that exist today where the need of every child must be considered rather than just TEACHING the class as a whole.

    In the end, we all tend to think "our time" was the best. But the reality is that there is no "better period" in which to grow up because each generation is subject to the environment on many levels.
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    So the helicopter parents now interact with their children less than the parents that let their children roam unchecked through the neighborhood? Sorry, but I think the opposite is true. If anything the question is if there is too much parent involvement.

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