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    I fail to see why 'playing hardball' was a bad move.
    In fact if I recall correctly the twerp's agent refused to even speak with the Patriots. Had we caved signed the little folker by tearing up this year's contract, Asante and Graham could be siting out the playoffs unless they got a new deal, RIGHT NOW! End of franchise competitiveness.

    Folks need to separate out a WR contingency plan that failed to meet the suddenly imposed requirements of one season from the demise of the Pats effectiveness as an org and a team.
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    This article is a joke, but I shouldn't have expected anything else.

    Where to begin....

    1) 9-4 isn't continued success?

    2) Branch's negotiations only got ugly because Deion chose that path.

    3) Brady did lash out a little, so I'll give them that.

    4) Lowest rating is something like 3 points off of his high. Not much of a difference.

    5) Would people please stot with the "AFC East is a joke" talk?! They have the most total wins of any division in the league.
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    The AFC East is a joke?

    So what does that make the rest of the divisions in the league, which all have lower winning percentages?
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    Do these writers have editors or SOMEBODY to do fact checks?
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    They are trying to sell magazines, or website advertising, or something. They have nice pictures.
    :p
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    And since when did the Dolphins "sign Daunte Culpepper?"

    They traded for him.
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    I thought the same thing. It's funny how a talking point gets established in the pre-season and it somehow becomes an indisputable fact down the line. This is a scrappy division IMO. The Phins have beaten Chi., darlings of the NFC. So have the Pats. Buffalo played SD to within 3 points and nearly beat us week 1. Even the Jets are better than I expected. They damn near beat Indy.
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    I was gonna totally pass this thread by, till I saw that nice pictures statement. Thanks!
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    i dont agree with the signing of kerry collins being a bad offseason move



    obviously jeff fisher and the titans gm/organization didnt sign kerry collins to have him be the permanent starter...they signed collins to get volek out...so they can bring in VY sooner....there was no way volek was going to let fisher put VY infront of him...

    sign collins, and make him the starter, that in turn makes volek upset and break the "no trade clause" in his contract and ask for a trade.....fisher projected VY to start games during week 8-10 and on....give him time to develop under collins....but collins was just too terrible, so VY started sooner than expected...

    VY starting so soon would've never happened if volek was still a titan....

    collins knew he wasnt going to get an extension from the raiders b/c they just signed aaron brooks, and he also knew he wasnt going to be the starting qb for the titans for too long....but he just wanted a contract....







    SI.com think the AFC East is a joke, yet 2 AFC EAST teams are probably goign to make the playoffs....at least the jets have the easiest schedule out of the remaining afc playoff contenders....

    the team to beat in the NFC is probably the Bears(11-2), the bears in their division 4-0 and in their conference 9-0......OH!!!! the NFC team to beat have their only losses to AFC EAST teams...PATS and Dolphins...and BARELY beat the Jets with a final score of 10-0.....



    yes, SI has been around for a long time, but i find more and more reasons lessen their credibility.....

    yes, the same SI.com that projected the miami dolphins to win the AFC East this year. (preseason projections)
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    It's hilarious that the same a$$clown rag that picked the Phins to win the AFCE because of Saban trading for Culpepper now blithely and without apology now trash the trade,

    Reminds me of a senile poster in the Forum who can't keep his own lies straight.
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    Ahhh, finally some good billboard material!

    Thanks SI, for helping to rally the team together.

    Now if we can just get an ESPN commentator to say that all the players hate Bellichick!
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    #11 Colts address their run defense.........
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    I agree with you guys, I expect more from a major publication. The writer didn't do his homework.

    FYI - His number 5 pick completely omits the fact that veteran Falcons' WR Brian Finneran was injured in training camp.
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    I thought that was an interesting one as well. How many years in a row can you blame the WR's? I realize they have dropped a lot of balls this year but Vick doesn't do them many favors either.
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    Precisely, the Colts are once again proven frauds, maybe they can run up the score a few times so some can forget about their crappy defense.

    The whole Branch thing is getting sickening, anyone who says this has obviously not been following the Seahawks.. he is an overpaid reciever, who excelled in this system.. but looks like a bust to me in Seattle.

    Seattle should have broken the bank for Hutchinson, if they did they would be over the top.
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    You think that's bad, check out their 10 Best Offseason Moves:

    This one can't even keep the transaction straight between the title and the description.
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    The Pats did make a bad move, but it wasn't playing hard ball per se. It was failing to realize that DB so unhappy and therefore letting Givens walk without so much as a backwards glance. The Branch shenanigans seemed to take them completely by surprise; it's hard to believe they didn't see it coming in some way and couldn't have headed it off, either by making a good offer to Givens or by bolstering their receiving corps in a better way before the start of the season.
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    hahah ihate si
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    For an elite team, Good moves are moves that win Championships. Bad moves are moves that don't. We'll know whether Piolichick's moves this offseason were Good or Bad in January and February. Until then, this is just a bunch of hot air by somebody trying to sell magazines or whatever.
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    What is so difficult for the people here to understand about how Belioli works? They have a system in play which does not believe in paying "a" money to "b" or even "a-" players. That means that it would have been a mistake to actually pay those two receivers what they were demanding, because it would have destroyed the sytem. As a man named Lawyer Milloy discovered, this team doesn't like bloated contracts. Givens was given #1 receiver money for a #2/#3 type of receiver, and Branch was given Franchise receiver money for a low end #1/high end #2 receiver. Well, neither one is exactly earning that money and the Patriots are 10-4 without them, haven't set a precedent for the other players to point to and have 2 first round picks in next year's draft along with an additional compensatory pick for Givens.


    Mistake? It was a stroke of genius under the circumstances.
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    I agree with Deb, the Pats miss Branch more than Branch misses the Pats. I think having Branch on the roster or a viable #1, 1A type of player would significantly improve their overall offense and help their chances in the play-offs. If Branch (or someone like him) were on the roster, maybe that equates to one more win (Jets, Denver) which would put us in the hunt for a 1st round bye dramtically increases the chances of reaching the Superbowl.
    The current crew of WRs is embarrasing, our number 1 is Caldwell, all teams have a better WR than him and most have 2.

    The draft pick for next year is great but as with Jackson this year the chances of a rookie WR coming in and making an impact are low. In the end looking at the 2006 season the construction of the receiving core was an offseason mistake, it could be the difference between the playoffs and championship.

    Not much we can do about it now, maybe it wasn't the worst offseason move but it certainly hasn't helped the team.
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    Sorry, I forgot to point this out in my previous post:


    Javon Walker Traded to Broncos for a 2nd Round Pick


    Seriously, that should pretty much end the discussion.
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    I don't see how this proves your point. I wish we had either Walker or Branch on the Pats this year.
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    Javon Walker is a better receiver than Branch. The Packers had more time to trade Walker than the Patriots had to move Branch. Yet, somehow, the Patriots got the better deal.

    And, while you're wishing, you might as well wish that L.T. were on the Patriots this season, too. That had just about the same chance of happening.
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    Branch advised Walker to not come here and then spurned the team again by forcing a trade. Other than NE not waiving the 5th year of the rookie deal (which they didn't for Seymour either, or for Brady's extension last year) can't really blame NE for either of those guys not being on the team right now.
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    The point of the column, I believe, is what the worst moves were for this year. My point is that the Pats left themselves in a deep hole in terms of the receiving corps in mishandling the Branch/Givens issues, and then their aftermath. I agree that getting a first round pick for Branch will be good next year and was the best they could possibly do after the whole thing was botched to begin with. The Pats did not get the better deal for this year. And, since Walker (I believe I am remembering correctly) said he had plane reservations for Foxboro but Denver made him cancel them, I can't agree that the LT/Walker trade had the same chances of happening.
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    Givens and Branch are separate issues. Givens was more than covered by Reche, so there was no "mistake" there at all. The only "mistake" to look at is the Branch situation, and it's not a "mistake" of the Patriots that their player refused to honor his contract, refused to negotiate, and flat out lied about playing out his contract.

    Under those circumstances, caused entirely by the player, the team was still able to get a better pick for Branch than was gotten for Javon Walker, a pro bowl receiver. That's not just ok. That's not just good. That's a stroke of genius.
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    A simple view of my understanding of the situation and why SI may have thought it was a bad move:
    • Getting a #1 for Branch = Good, Very Good, Excellent
    • Void at WR - Bad, very bad, significantly hurts chances in 2006
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    Let's say that you are buying a house. Based on all quantifiable data, you make a very fair initial offer, except you overlook the fact that the owners for whatever reason don't want to go through the normal negotiations; they wanted your final offer first. Because you made that mistake, the owner refuses to negotiate with you any further. Afterwards, you use your knowledge of this owners situation to facilitate a purchase of the house for another person and receive a handsome finders fee.

    Was facilitating the sale of the house for the other party a mistake considering the stance of the former owner?
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