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Ted Cruz' Dad: Hand Out Voting Guides in Church

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    Why is it a "violation"? Free speech doesn't exist in churches?

    How is handing out voting guides in churches "uncouth"?
     
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    "The IRS has stated that voter guides are permissible unless they are biased for or against one or more candidates. The question is whether “the voter’s guide itself shows a bias or preference in content or structure with respect to the views of a particular candidate.”[1]

    Finally, the descriptions of the candidates’ positions must be neutral and unbiased as well."

    http://blog.speakupmovement.org/church/churches-and-politics/voter-guides-and-churches/

    if you think that Cruz's guides would be neutral and unbiased then i have a bridge to sell you

    i just find such a practice to be tacky
     
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    #11 Jersey

    That about sums it up. Well said.
     
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    The guides can express and support any position as long as it doesn't support a particular candidate.

    I'm not sure how a church educating it's congregation on it's moral teachings would be considered "tacky".
     
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    What is "moral" about Church? Do what I say and not what I do?
     
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    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...uotes-from-ted-cruz-s-father-rafael-cruz.html

    You cannot serve both God and money. matthew 6 24

    If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Luke 14:13, 14

    Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience. Mathew 25: 31-46

    it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.

    you have inspired me to create my own neutral and unbiased voter guide to hand out at the church that i occasionally attend......im just going to ask the congregation to vote for the candidate that would follow the aforementioned word of the lord

    lol
     
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    There are many things that are moral about the church but the church is full of human beings....human beings who choose to do evil when they should choose to do good. Isn't our country the same way? How many times have we done evil when we should have done good? Does that mean that we should abandon our country or rather does it mean we should strive for a "more perfect union"?

    Any church, no matter how imperfect, has an obligation to teach it's members it's beliefs and that includes morals as well as faith.
     
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    You have every right to do so. Every one of the scripture passages you have listed are both good and true and, if you notice, not a single one calls for a government run social program.
     
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    Romans 13:1 "Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God and those which exist are established by God."
     
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    The good old "human beings" answer as the imaginary man in the sky can do no wrong. What does the USA have to do with the Church?
     
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    Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's".
     
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    Again, your scripture passage isn't calling for a government run social program especially since such a concept when this was written was completely alien.
     
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    but if said authority has such laws.......like taxes, welfare programs, etc........then the people should "be in subjection"
     
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    I'm not sure what your point is exactly besides that you don't like churches.

    The point of this thread is to discuss voting guides and I'm not sure you have said anything to show why it shouldn't be done.
     
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    "Subjection" doesn't mean that we have to agree with everything our government does nor does it mean that we even have to follow it (if what our government asks us to do what is immoral).

    As a Catholic I am obligated to follow moral laws. That is "subjection".
     
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    fair enough......especially about the "agree with" part......but i find it hard to see how someone would call welfare programs or even taxes immoral....especially considering the passages i quoted earlier.......not necessarily saying that is what you are implying
     
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    Are you serious? The mega, born-again christian, churches in the South wouldn't favour Republicans?
     
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    I think we have an obligation to help the poor but, as I have stated previously, I believe it should be done privately and not through government run programs.
     
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    They have every right to favor Republicans if Republicans stand for the issues they believe in. Just like most black churches will favor Democrats, because they stand for the issues they believe in.
     
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    In other words--if they favored the other team it would be ok.
     

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