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    Do the Patriots have more camp retirements than other teams? Could this be an indictment of the stress of Patriots camps or excessive two-a-days? Gotta believe that other camps are worse (how would you like to practice in pads in the Texas heat?)...

    I would think that a better approach would be to start camp a week or two earlier but only have one-a-days. Two-a-day is brutal on the players' bodies and apparently their morale...at least some of them.
     
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    So your theory is a handful of two-a-days is a major factor in Patriots' retiring?

    ...speechless.

    I guess we need to stop drafting such lazy players.
     
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    I doubt it. Going back to last year, Bruschi didn't retire because the two-a-days were too hard. The guy came back from a stroke, FFS, I doubt some two-a-days really phase him. In his case, he pretty much retired rather than be cut. Not much like the Burgess situation, I wouldn't think.

    Name a couple players who you think retired because of two-a-days, because I can't think of any. Any player that isn't tough enough to make it through them isn't tough enough to play in the NFL, period. If that is why some guys retire, which I sincerely doubt, then they were going to get weeded out somehow anyways.
     
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    You mean like Brace?

    In reality the rookie eat that stuff up. It is the vets who hate it. It is a crazy theory; I suspect other camps are just as bad or worse. Most of the time the retiring player is a JAG or worse but Burgess is needed.

    This is a crackpot idea but I have often wondered if the ideal camp would be in Alaska or Nova Scotia where there air is cool and the players would be far from any distractions. The games are played in the cold and subjecting the players to intense heat is not the best way to judge them. Of course the players would think that they have been sent to Siberia and the teams would never want to pay for such an outlandish camp but it is fun to consider.
     
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    What players are you referring to?

    If it is Tedy Bruschi, he retired at the very end of training camp after it was apparent he had lost a step. If it was Rodney Harrison, he retired in early June - again, after it was apparent it was time to retire.
     
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    TC opening is dictated by the NFLPA.. and by the League office. So any change would have to be renegotiated.

    Two a days are much different than the old two a days, players come into camp and are in much better shape.. it is difficult, but not as bad as the days when guys would come in to camp with no off season conditioning program..

    My read on Burgess, is that after 9 years your body has had enough, and it is difficult to stay motivated as money is not that big of an issue...

    To put it in persective the Saints are doing two a day practices, the Vikings are doing two a day practices.. check the other 29 teams, pretty sure most are except the Oakland Raiders who are opting to every other day practices if you feel like going.
     
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    A football player take a tremendous beating, perhaps Burgess just doesn't want to go through it anymore. Played a lot of DL against guys 70 lbs more than he weighs. If his heart wasn't in it I can respect that, better to do it now than waste his and the team's time.
     
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    the pats have more camp retirements because most of the time they lead the NFL in players over 35 on the roster.




    is has noting to do with stress you don't hear wilfork, a 360lbs man saying he's being worked to hard Rodney Harrison, retired at 36 Tedy Bruschi 36 Troy Brown, 37 Derrick Burgess is 32 all over the hill player with noting left to give.
     
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    Definitely. On hot days, they should practice in air conditioned field house. Plus they practice in the rain. That must be uncomfortable too. They should call off practice those days.

    Come on. Last year, the team lost some late fourth quarter games where they had a lead. That is lack of mental toughness.

    Let's all head over to Namby-Pamby Land and become the softest team in the league.
     
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    Good for you. The first step in recovery is acknowledging you have a problem...
     
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    Im gonna tell ya straight up, Burgess wants no part of getting beat up on every day on his side by Sebastian Vollmer. Burgess plays LOLB. Vollmer plays RT. Lots of head to head matchups there. And while I dont exactly blame him, he's gonna have to come back in at some time. I dont think he's retiring. I just think he's giving himself a bit of a head start.
     
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    Seems reasonable to me (though Burgess is just 32).

    I'm not sure that the Pats DO usually have more 2-a-days than other teams. They cranked it up this year because they have a very young roster with a lot to learn. And if you look at last year, the veterans were routinely held out of one of the 2 practices anyway. Guys like Moss and Faulk didn't have that many genuine 2-practice days.
     
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    From Mike Reiss.. may shed some light.. being "namby pamby" is not going to get the results he wants..

     
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