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  1. Patters

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    Anyone going up there to join the Browns? Screw the other residents of the town. Let's spend as many tax dollars as necessary to treat those criminals with delicacy. After all they're white and conservative.

    http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/06/21/tax.evaders.ap/index.html

    From behind the 8-inch concrete walls of their 110-acre hilltop compound, the couple taunt police and SWAT teams and play to reporters and government-haters with references to past standoffs that turned deadly.

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    Expert observers praise the authorities' hands-off approach, but patience is wearing thin for Plainfield's 2,400 residents. Town selectmen recently asked Monier to stop the influx of militiamen and other anti-government groups to the Browns' home and to bring the couple to justice.

    "While we understand and support efforts to achieve a quiet resolution to this matter, the longer the Browns remain at large the better the chance, in our view, that our local police force will be involved in an incident with them or their group of supporters," the letter reads. "In short, we believe that it is time that definitive action be taken."

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    "The people of Plainfield feel the whole thing has been mismanaged from the get-go," says Stephen Taylor, a Plainfield native who is state agriculture commissioner. "He's got this band of loonies up there right now. There's this constant traffic and helicopters overhead and everything. Goddamn crazies."
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    Better arrest them soon so their taxes can pay for Harry's Social Security and Medical Care....
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    You want them shot or somethng?
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    I don't know. How do we deal with drug pushers who are holed up? Do we wait them out for as long as necessary, while allowing their friends to bring them supplies and allowing them to hold press conferences?
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    Another thought comes to mind, if they don't have an audience the audience can't be taunted... read where they are selling the woman's dental practice.. if the end result is to recover the money, they may have achieved this goal..
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    There's a surprise... a liberal bringing up race into a conversation :rolleyes:

    I know you prefer the Janet Reno heavy handed approach to go in with tanks and guns blazing (see Waco, TX, and Elian Gonzalez for examples), but the civilized amongst us know that that more likely leads to tragedy and horror. They've cut utilities to the house which is S.O.P.

    It's very easy for you to play with other peoples' lives from the safety of your ivory tower, isn't it...?
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    #24 Jersey

    I was going to say the same thing. Patters disgusts me with his constant ractial baiting - as a poster, let alone a moderator.

    Patters, do something about your hatred before it's too late, it's got too much control over you.
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    Well I'm sure the drug pushers aren't paying taxes on their income either so that makes them equal threats :confused:

    But yeah, allowing press conferences is over the top.
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    Well, why do you think that we are treating these criminals with kid gloves? Would you favor the same approach for drug pushers holed up? I think we are treating these people this way because they represent a powerful right-wing constituency, which, whether you believe it or not, includes a number of racist militia and survivalist groups. It doesn't really surprise me that someone like QuiGon would indirectly defend these criminals, but why are you defending the massive taxpayer expense of treating these people so gently? And why don't you even respond to my main questions about why we are treating these people so much differently than we would treat other types of holed uip criminals? Also, perhaps you have a photo of their compound showing the interracial makeup of the Brown's supporters. :D
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    #24 Jersey

    I don't think I've defended anything of the sort. I believe I've commented solely on your pitiful race baiting.

    Quit the race sh!t.

    I would just go in and get them, but maybe they're worried about a Waco style screw up. But it's not a racial issue.
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    And it doesn't really surprise me that you're once again showing us all how full of sh*t you are. How in the hell have I in any way (directly or indirectly) defended these crimnals..? All I said is that it would be unwise to repeat the mistakes of Janet Reno and go in with guns a-blazin'. The authorities are following S.O.P. and not playing games with peoples' lives.

    Why don't you try to respond to the points being made instead of being a intellectually bankrupt moron putting words into other peoples' mouths...? Oh wait, I forgot... that's your S.O.P...
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    Then why are we treating them so differently from other types of holed up criminals? I think it's political issue (the Republicans don't want to alienate their anti-tax base) and a race issue (the Republicans don't want to alienate the type of people who support the Browns, who often belong to racist groups). Why for so many righties is it never a race issue when blacks defend blacks (for instance the OJ trial), but never a race issue when whites defend whites?
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    Don't forget to take your medication.
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    You Left Out The Illegal Aliens And Welfare Winnie

    Where's Billy Blue Dress And Lovely Janet Reno When You Need Them With Their "Fire Guns"

    :bricks:
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    #24 Jersey

    I'm not following the story very closely, it's not a big issue to me. I don't know - but I do know that you race bait at every opportunity and it disgusts me.
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    That's fine. It disgusts me how many white conservatives seem to live in lala land where the only racism that exists is that which is initiated by Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. As long as you keep avoiding an attempt to explain why the Brown's are being treated so differently than other types of criminals, you won't have to confront the truth.
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    If they kill them, 10,000 more will spring up. This will do the opposite of encouraging people to pay their taxes. People are sick of paying for the Nancy Peolosis and Ted Kennedys of the world telling them they are stupid ignorant bumpkins, while they eat brie and drink wine (or Bushmillers, in Kennedy's case).




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    Typical Patters response... ignores the points at hand, refuses to acknowledge he was mistaken, and throws out a backhanded insult.

    Just out of curiousity, how did a fukcing scumbag dipsh!t like you get to be a moderator in the first place..?
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    Sure, and every time we throw a drug dealer in jail, more pop up, yet we keep doing it. You're right about Pelosi and Kennedy, but also Bush for making us pay for this war.

    I agree race probably has nothing to do with this, rather a desire to end this without bloodshed.
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    Putting someone in jail is a lot different from killing them, Ruby Ridge or Waco style. America is on the edge right now and if people want to say they are against the war in Iraq they had better be against killing people for not paying taxes or all their personal credibility goes into the toilet.


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    The drug dealer analogy is an absolutely retarded one because when the police raid a drug dealer's den, they are doing so with the intent of placing him under arrest and obtaining the necessary evidence to build a case in a court of law. They aren't going to give a drug dealer a couple weeks to destroy the evidence.

    In this case, we have criminals that are already found to be in violation of orders. There's no case that needs to be brought against them - they're already guilty. There's no reason to risk anyone's lives when patience is clearly the wisest course of action.

    Amazing how the left wing peaceniks in here all of a sudden want another Waco style invasion... I wonder why that is :rolleyes:
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    Just curious and I don't want to hijack the thread: but if 20 white guys killed a Hispanic man, who was trying to help his hispanic friend, who was trying to help a little girl that he accidentally hit in a parking lot, do you think it would be considered a hate crime? Also do you think it would be all over the news and by all over the news I mean coverage equal to....I don't know...Imus?

    Where is the outrage of racism here Patters? Or does the label of racist only apply to white people?

    Again if it needs its own thread then feel free to move it.
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    Of course it would mgcolby. The news would have prominently displayed the race of those involved and gladly have insuated a racist motive for the killing. But with this version, I didn't even know it was part of the Juneteenth "celebrations" or that the perps were black until I researched the story more (I just knew that there was more than was being reported for such an odd story). Many stations even made it a point to say that this was not part of the Juneteenth "celebrations" and that it was seperate. You can bet that if this was St. Patrick's Day, it would still be in the news. The media's handling of issues such as this continues to be hypocritical and ridiculous, and I see no reason to think it will change in the future.
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    http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/06/20/crash.assault.ap/index.html

    CNN did not mention the race of either the person killed or the mob that killed him (how it should be IMO). The police also claim that they have no reason to believe it was a hate crime, even though Black on Hispanic racism is an issue that the media mostly ignores.
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    The liberal mindset of the politically correct do-gooder is that no Person Of Color is capable of being Racist even if they are beating you to death with a baseball bat all the while screaming "die you white mother f-cker"

    The Liberal Will Blame Slavery.
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    Geez, well what do we do with illegals? Do we catch them and deport them, or do we let them go free again? I've got it, why don't we just make them legal, so that way they're not il-legal anymore. :D

    These people on that hill are not drug dealers. They are considered tax evaders, and there beef is that our income tax is not constitutional. I'm glad that they're bringing to light the gross taxation that american taxpayers are unfairly burdened with. With that in mind, I hope that they are treated accordingly with respect to the law.

    BTW, why do some people always make things an issue of race? Weren't the Branch Davidians people white?
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    There's no real question about the constitutionality of income tax, the 16th amedment expressly authorizes it. You, and they, may have a point about the taxation being unfair, and you're free to see them as martyrs, but don't make it sound like there's a bona fide legal issue here.
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    :rofl:

    Yup, it's cuz they are white, and right-wing! That's why we've been rounding up criminal illegals for the last 7 years right? Cuz they aren't right wing and white. Oh wait, my bad, we haven't rounded them up. doh!
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    Please, the only reasons we haven't rounded up illegals are:
    1. The cost of such a massive operation, even if they could find half of them.
    2. The impact on illegal immigrants' labor, which we need but only talk about in hushed tones.

    Race has as little to do with it as it does with the NH case.

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