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  1. jmt57

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    Portions of two recent columns about Tank Williams:



    Injury-riddled Tank Williams is ready to move forward - by NESN's Jeff Howe




    Tank Williams ready to roll: eager for a fresh start - by Boston Herald's Ron Borges

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    I hate to be a buzz kill but I don't see this guy staying healthy. In fact, he has a terrible track record. If you guys think Maroney is bad, this guy is way worse.
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    I'm going to remain optimistic about Tank. He had some really productive years when he was healthy. If he can stay healthy (big IF), then I see him being a huge contributor on defense. He's intelligent and BB obviously thinks he's versatile enough to play inside linebacker along with his natural safety position. We'll see what happens.
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    I'm actually excited about this guy for the versatility he gives in our offense. This could make us aggressive at positions we were defensive before.

    I wish people would realize that football is a short career and some of the best players lost significant parts of their career to injury. It's a brutal sport and unless you're actually a fortune teller, you don't know what's going to happen based on a couple years. Knees shoulders backs etc. take time to heal.

    I'm glad all the calls for McGinest to retire in the 90's went unheeded and we got to see the most disruptive linebacker play since Tippet.

    Injuries happen. It's a huge part of the game.
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    I'll be the first to admit that I was one of those with little faith in McGinest back in the day. Didn't call for him to retire, but I wasn't counting on him for much of any production back then. I'm now very happy to admit that I was way off base and very wrong in my opinions at that time.
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    It was interesting to discover that this latest knee injury was not to his same left knee. Repeated injury to the same knee would lead you to wonder if the knee could take any more trauma.

    But since this latest right knee injury was different from the previous knee and kneecap injuries to his left knee and that those have had more than two years to recover is good news. This latest injury happened early last preseason, and he will have had a full year to do recover, Tank may be able to contribute to the Team. :D

    Let us hope so.
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    Last season, Williams was the one player on defense that I was the most intrigued about seeing what he can add. I'm glad that he was resigned and hope that he's able to contribute and do a lot of the things that the coaching staff envisioned him doing before the injury.
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    Tank Williams is ready to roll... right to the IR!

    Sorry guys, had to say it. :)
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    terrible track record? compared to who? Maroneys been injured more than tank. do you have a link to backup this claim that he's injury prone? He was ir'd in 06 with the vikings, and then last year with us. Two seperate knee injuries, neither of which were any worse than Bradys. Plenty of guys have been lost for 2 seasons in their career, so i think its a little early to be writing him off as injury prone. He's only 28. Remember, Rodney was labled as injury prone, and finished. Then BB called, and Rodney had a little bit of success :rolleyes:
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    This signing intrigued me last year, but now that BB has retooled his D even more.. how they will use him will be interesting.. particularly as he is so versatile.. hope he stays healthy.
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    Join the club. Always liked him but I had given up in my asperations. Fortunately BB kept with him.
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    After letting my expectations on Tank (and others) grow sky-high last year and then dealing with the shocked disbelief when they evaporated in a second, I am proud, nay, humbled to say that I learnt not to read/react much into any of these news and instead wait for the season to start.

    Hopefully we don't have any other player hit with any serious injury during training/pre-season/season.

    GO PATS!
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    Even if we knew and could diagnose these injuries, we wouldn't know a chronic injury from bad luck. On this team? Let's face it, until we see a dangling limb we're not sure if there's even an injury. Some players are injured beyond recovery and washed up, but not twenty somethings, usually.

    Just statistically, in a career that probably doesn't last more than 8 years for most, a two year period with significant injuries seems like a pattern, when most major injuries take 6 months to a year rehab and nagging ankle, groin etc. injuries are common.

    In other words, lots of players have 2-3 year periods where they miss significant time, then go on to play almost every game, the rest of their careers. Fred Taylor is a case in point.

    If it makes you happy to feel like you're predicting something, that's fine but it's really meaningless and based on nothing but your own imaginations. Even doctors can't predict when someone will get hit in the wrong place and get an injury, and that's how most of these injuries occur, simple massive force on a joint or bone, or stretching beyond limit of a muscle or tendon.
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    Obviously, multiple serious knee operations to the same knee do have an effect due to loss of cartilage (not playing doctor if I'm wrong correct me please).
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    I like Tank and was disappointed with his injury...saddened...really liked the idea of a safety playing ILB...really intriguing ..and HOPEFULLY part two this year...to see it in action..
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    Where does he fit? He's not going to start at safety, not with the draft pick of Chung and the re-signing of Sanders. He's not going to be terribly effective at anything more than a situational LB at 223.

    That's his best shot, other than that I don't see what a lot of people are excited about.
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    Tank can't cover very well, so you may be right. This does give us another option up front, though. Third and long where teams run screens and draws is a situation he'll contribute. Also if teams are throwing underneath because they don't have a vertical threat, he can cover better than a traditional linebacker. The QB who is reading the defense and making audibles won't know his role from one play to the next and may make the wrong read or audible. Flexibility is key in a BB defense. He can be put in a position to throw the opposing offense off their game once or twice per game. Or, it could be Victor Green all over again and he is a healthy scratch on game day.
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    They're planning on using a scheme with the safety in the box, but also covering if necessary. Harrison did this and i think they planned on Lynch doing this had he stuck. If I'm wrong on particulars, let me know, I'm not an x,o guy.
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    They're trying to develop a way to stop the TE and intermediate game, while also having a guy who can support the run game. It's not secret that this team is very weak against the TE and intermediate routes. Having a guy who is 6'2 and fast/agile/physical enough to matchup with the TE is important in the league. It's also an answer to the college permutations that are beginning to get traction in the league. Spread formations and their plays have been getting more and more play in the NFL. Accordingly, the defenses need to adapt. There are certain sets, like the 33 stack and the 61 over, that have been effective against these offenses. These sets require safety/LB hybrids similar to Ernie Simms or Tony Parrish in his prime. The players aren't playing at safety depth, or three yards off the line like linebackers. They exist in the intermediate depth, and are assigned to the TE or pursuit. It's a situational thing for certain teams with certain players, but it will play an integral role for this team.
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    One of the things Rodney could do as well as anyone was chuck TEs at the line and cover RBs who are too elusive for most ILBs. Without Rodney, the Pats had a matchup problem, the same as other teams have against Faulk. Mayo is terrific with this kind of matchup. Tank is another tool in the toolbox.

    You might think that's just situational, but it's a frequent enough situation that, according to reports I remember, Tank was on the practice field a lot with the first team. I'm remember being really excited about what he could bring.

    When you add it up, there are a lot of starting-caliber defensive players coming back from injury: Thomas, Wheatley, Crable, Williams, Woods.
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    part of the prob is his name. he should change it to "Arvid" or "Melvyn". "Tank" just sets the bar way too high on toughness
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    Hahaha, it's amazing how blindly biased some people are. You could (and most of us do) say virtually the same exact thing about Maroney. Wherever you fall in regards to Maroney, if you're consistent and rational you should take the same position with Tank. For my part, I'm optimistic for both of them. They've had injuries, but, since I'm pretty sure that they're not actually *cursed*, I'm hopeful that they can stay healthy this year.
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    Interesting Observation...
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    Don't forget to add Ty Warren too...
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    You forgot when he landed on IR during the 2004 season after playing 9 games. After he was lost for the season in '06, he hardly played in '07 due to him still recovering from his injury. Then he signs with the Pats and feels home sick not being on IR so he gets injured again. While Tank has landed on the IR three times in his career, Maroney has seen the IR once. However, in his first three years as a Titan, Williams played in more games than Maroney did in his first three years. As far as him being only 28 , time is not on Williams' side and this may be his last chance to catch on with a team because of his injury history.
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    hardly played? he played in 13 games. yes he was still recovering, but he did play. this is all pointless either way. my point is, you have no reason to believe he is anymore injury prone than rodney. people said rodney was finished, and BB picked him up, and he became a force for a short while on this team. the same could happen to Tank, so lighten up francis, and lets support the guy (atleast till we see him in preseason ;)
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    i kinda like Coach's idea of having this guy around, he did so when we all thought Cassel was gettin the boot. Sometimes most athletes dream of a 2nd round. Lets see what he got left.
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    Hmm....maybe another reason why BB doesn't seem as fazed by the perceived lack of LB depth and/or "pass rushing specialist" as most of us. Tank could end up being invaluable this year if he stays healthy.
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    No disrespect intended, but the first word of sentences begins with a capital letter. It's difficult to know where your sentences stop and new ones begin. I just had to say that after reading many of your posts. They're decent points, albeit not all true, but they're just incredibly tough to read.
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    I don't understand where you think Rodney Harrison was considered injury prone before he came to the Pats. In his 9 years as a Charger, he played 123 games out of a possible 144 games. That is an average of almost 14 games per season. When he became a free agent at 31, the Chargers thought he lost a step and didn't want to pay him top money as a safety. However, the Pats took a chance on him and squeezed out a few more good years out of Harrison.

    On the other hand, Williams has played 70 games in the last 7 seasons out of 112. In addition, Williams averages 10 games per season which isn't as bad as I initially thought. Don't get me wrong, I really hope he stays healthy because it's just another body in the rotation for the Pats. I'm just saying, I'm not counting on the guy, just like I'm not counting on Maroney.
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