Digger44
2nd Team Getting Their First Start
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patpatriot said:oohhh that smarts. Come back when you grow a thicker skin.
Thanks troll
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At the same time, if you're going to post something like that (in light of the recent track record, and the fact that its a week into the new FA period, and still five months from the season), you better be prepared to defend it. A message board is as much about vigorous debate as it is anything else. The idea that 'controversy' is a threat, I can't get behind that. What kind of board would it be if any nonsense that pops into people's heads becomes a new post, or even worse, yet another thread? And anybody that challenges that is being rude and unwelcoming? What value is there in that? What kind of board is that?scout said:While I side with the older members on the Patriots strategy, I feel strongly that we should not run off new comers. This is a very edgy, frustrating time of the year. We all know BB and company will sit back and wait it out. Its not tantalizing, its nerve racking. But who can argue with the results. If you feel that there is another coach and personal man you'd want for the Patriots then you should post it. If you just want controversy then you need to go to the political forum where you'll be welcomed with open arms! I still believe in BB and company and know when the dust settles we still will be the team to beat.
scout said:While I side with the older members on the Patriots strategy, I feel strongly that we should not run off new comers. This is a very edgy, frustrating time of the year. We all know BB and company will sit back and wait it out. Its not tantalizing, its nerve racking. But who can argue with the results. If you feel that there is another coach and personal man you'd want for the Patriots then you should post it. If you just want controversy then you need to go to the political forum where you'll be welcomed with open arms! I still believe in BB and company and know when the dust settles we still will be the team to beat.
Pats67 said:At the same time, if you're going to post something like that (in light of the recent track record, and the fact that its a week into the new FA period, and still five months from the season), you better be prepared to defend it. A message board is as much about vigorous debate as it is anything else. The idea that 'controversy' is a threat, I can't get behind that. What kind of board would it be if any nonsense that pops into people's heads becomes a new post, or even worse, yet another thread? And anybody that challenges that is being rude and unwelcoming? What value is there in that? What kind of board is that?
scout said:While I side with the older members on the Patriots strategy, I feel strongly that we should not run off new comers. This is a very edgy, frustrating time of the year. We all know BB and company will sit back and wait it out. Its not tantalizing, its nerve racking. But who can argue with the results. If you feel that there is another coach and personal man you'd want for the Patriots then you should post it. If you just want controversy then you need to go to the political forum where you'll be welcomed with open arms! I still believe in BB and company and know when the dust settles we still will be the team to beat.
Digger44 said:This board has offically become ******ed. All the work Ian has done to keep it a quality board has been smashed by pure idiocy. End of the world, firing BB, whining about lost players, and temper tantrums are totally ******ed. Thanks for taking a well thought out board with logical conversation and rivalry and changing it to Idiots-R-Us. Going on vacation form here for a while.
Ed Hillel said:I haven't been around here for a while, but it seems as if we've got quite a few single digit wunderlics roaming around.
Digger44 said:This board has offically become ******ed. All the work Ian has done to keep it a quality board has been smashed by pure idiocy. End of the world, firing BB, whining about lost players, and temper tantrums are totally ******ed. Thanks for taking a well thought out board with logical conversation and rivalry and changing it to Idiots-R-Us. Going on vacation form here for a while.
stcjones said:Like to look at EVERYTHING through rose colored glasses. Everything Belichick and Pioli do is PERFECT.......They always make perfect decisions....If BB does something a certain way.....well there is no other way....and do not EVER question it......if a "star" player doesn't get an offer from the Pats and gets traded/picked up by another team....well then they aren't worth it....and goodbye and don't let the door hit you in the ***** on the way out.....and last but not least.......GAWD forbid someone disagree with your opinion....they must be a troll.....must be a moron.......must be a whiner etc......last I checked this was a free country......and everyone is entitled to their opinion....and their views as a FAN........doesn't seem like that "right" exists all the time on here these days......
In irony, what has often DESTROYED this board as of recent, is many "old timers" if that is what you want to call them....going BALLISTIC, if god forbid anyone says anything questioning a move/decision that was made by Belichick or the Pats management/ownership. This board WAS great, when you could debate anything...logically...and when one could deal with other level headed fans.....that would debate things intelligently and with etiquette. Where someone would say "I appreciate your opinion, but I feel differently about it" etc
Now you bring up a question that may challenge a move by BB or someone else involved with the Pats and you get "Shut up you whiner....what are you a troll?.....you think you know more than BB?.....Get out of here"..... what a sad mentality.......
I, for one, appreciate any rational opinion on here (90% of my posts contain....."appreciate your opinion.....or good points.....even if I don't agree 100% with what was said)......I would encourage everyone to look at all sides of an opinion, other than their own.........
Digger, in all honesty, you come up with some great points.....but the hair across the butt attitude towards anyone that differs from your way of thinking.....has got to go..........one man's opinion.......
Ian said:Forget the fact that I'm a board admin, let's just talk like normal people here.
I'm one of you guys, and I don't blame the people who want to take a break from this board. This is ridiculous.....it's March 15th a little less than 6 months until the season gets here, and there is plenty that can happen between now and then. We lose a couple of free agents and people are acting like the sky is falling. I've never seen anything like it.
Losing McGinest is obviously a big deal, but there's no question that the contract he got in Cleveland was certainly a bit bigger than I expected. He's a good player, but for the money he received it's hard to say whether or not he could have performed at this level for two more (let alone three) seasons. It's a good deal for him, and you can't fault him for going for it. However I'd hardly call him irreplacable. However he's been a good player and a class act, and I wish him the best.
Next, losing Givens is obviously difficult, but it's still early enough to replace him. Who that player will be is tough to say at this point, but it's not like training camp is in two weeks. With the draft coming up along with more cuts likely in another couple of months, someone will be there. If you had told me when we took him in the 7th round that he would have been the player he was here, I would never have believed you. Thankfully he was, and now we'll see how he does in Tennessee.
As for Adam Vinatieri, I think he'll end up staying. I think for the money he's looking for and the way the market is unfolding, he can easily match that here in New England between what the team will likely pay him and the endorsements he can get here in this region. Let's face it, he's not going to be getting a lot of commercial appearances in Dallas.
Yes they haven't exactly jumped in with both feet at the guys who have been available, but aside from the Colvin signing years ago everyone knows that's not their style. I don't remember anyone in this forum going crazy when we signed Vrabel way back when, and he's one example of a no-name guy who can be a great contributor. There will be more I'm sure.
For a fan base and group of people, many of whom are regulars here that are generally pretty level headed and intelligent, I can't believe you're acting like the world is coming to an end. Guys are going to come and go, that's just the nature of this business. But I'd at least wait until camp starts before I start judging this year's team.
It just makes me laugh that everyone is freaking out in March. It's just insane.
Ian
Joker said:You realize if they sign Petersen or move up and draft Hawk or do anything that excites and fires up the imagination, this board will mellow out in a hurry.
Ian, I've been frequenting your site since the first year you put it up and the old NEPats site was still in existence. Most of these posters would have had cardiac arrests if they lived through the Booby Grier "29 out of 31 draft picks fall flat" years. They really have no clue how fortunate we are that Bob Kraft has the sagacity to hire Bill Belichick and Scott Pioli.
Myself, I wouldn't mind a little adversity....it would thin the ranks of all these frontrunners
Ian said:I agree to a certain extent STC, and I do think it's O.K. to question the moves of the coaching staff...no one has a problem with that. But to answer your question and to defend Digger's stance, the "Should BB be fired?" thread is probably the one that sparked this thread. I guarantee if you asked him that's probably the main reason why he started this thread. I'll tell you right now that I shook my head when I read that
Not to mention seeing everyone turn on eachother here, it's ridiculous. The only way I'd expect to see that would be during a 2-15 season, but to do it in March and call for Belichick's head now is nonsense :explative.
Ian
Joker said:You realize if they sign Petersen or move up and draft Hawk or do anything that excites and fires up the imagination, this board will mellow out in a hurry.
Ian, I've been frequenting your site since the first year you put it up and the old NEPats site was still in existence. Most of these posters would have had cardiac arrests if they lived through the Booby Grier "29 out of 31 draft picks fall flat" years. They really have no clue how fortunate we are that Bob Kraft has the sagacity to hire Bill Belichick and Scott Pioli.
Myself, I wouldn't mind a little adversity....it would thin the ranks of all these frontrunners