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Should illegals be charged with ID theft if they use SS# that belongs to others?

  1. Yes, they should be.

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  2. No, they shouldn't be.

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  3. Oh, STFU you racist, zig heilin' Nazi POS.

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  1. Real World

    Real World Moderator Staff Member

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    So, do you think illegal immigrants who use someone else's valid SS number, should be charged with identity theft? Would you be charged if you did?


    Supreme Court will decide identity theft case

    By Associated Press | Monday, October 20, 2008 | Home - BostonHerald.com | General Politics

    WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court agreed today to decide whether people picked up on immigration violations also can face charges of identity theft if they use Social Security and other identification numbers that belong to others.

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    Defense lawyers have argued that their clients should not be charged with stealing someone else’s identity because the immigrants only were seeking documentation that would allow them to work. They didn’t know if the numbers were fictitious or belonged to someone else, their lawyers say.

    The Bush administration, however, has said that it doesn’t matter under federal law. The 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, based in St. Louis, agreed with the administration and upheld the conviction of Ignacio Carlos Flores-Figueroa.


    Supreme Court will decide identity theft case - BostonHerald.com
  2. DarrylS

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    I think they should, this sounds like an easy one..
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    Wildo7 Totally Full of It

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    These people don't even know what's going on, they just want a number so they can work. There is no way they are intentionally trying to steal somebody else's identity. Not only is trying to find something else to screw them with (as this is obviously intended to do) but it's going to be a colossal waste of taxpayer money.

    However, I'm all for charging the people who knowingly steal and provide other people's SS numbers to the fullest extent of the law. Taking someone's SS number is clearly wrong, and has real repercussions, but imprisoning people who just want to work and have no idea where the numbers came from or what they even are is pretty sick.

    You'll make a joke out of it, but this is the exact type of escalation and demonization I was talking about. They can't just be illegal immigrants anymore, they have to be criminals too so we can hate them for being poor.
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    Wildo7 Totally Full of It

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    if it was an easy one it wouldn't be on the docket.
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    I say no. Reason. The defendants never used the names of the persons stolen social security numbers so how does the prosecution show intent? They didn't even know that the numbers belong to someone else.
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    From what I read, it is not all that complicated for a Roberts led court.. bet you right now I can guess the outcome..
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    Wildo7 Totally Full of It

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    well that may be true. What's up with all the name changes:D
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    Darryl Stingley was one of the greatest Patriots, who never got his due.. the name I used to have was a knee jerk reaction from the early days of this board when I had to choose quickly.. never liked it and never I knew I could change it until Real World did his..
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    That was my question. Cause my name bugs me so I might change mine too.
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    Wildo7 Totally Full of It

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    Is their music that bad? I've never heard them.
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    Since the Flood? No, I liked them, my brother was their guitarist a few years ago. They changed members a lot and just broke up recently. It's not a dislike thing, the name just irritates me for some reason. I might just change it to Farmy. Uh-oh, this is a passive thread hijack.
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    The intent is in using a number they know is not their's. All they need to know is the number doesn't belong to them.
  13. Real World

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    It's identify theft hands down. Using someone else's SS# as your own is against the law, regardless of one's intentions.
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    If that's what this case were about you'd be right. It isn't:

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    In order to be identity theft the would also have to know that the number belongs to somebody else. I have yet to see that proof in this case. They may and probably are guilty of a crime, but IMO the crime is not identity theft.
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    Is it possible that you know even less about the law than you do about politics?

    SCOTUSblog

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    Question for those who believe this is identity theft. Carlos Flores-Figueroa used his own name on the application. How does that equate in a legal sense to identity theft?
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    It's too much of an emotional issue for certain posters here obviously

    If you think he deserves that sentence (over 6 years in prison), your irrational hysteria has destroyed your brain.
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    I agree, the constitution has nothing to do with their decisions.

    I bet I can tell you how Ginsberg and Roberts are going to vote.
  20. Real World

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    Which reminds me, have you called PR a racist, POS Nazi yet? :rolleyes: I didn't think so. ;)

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