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Sun's Fading Spots Signal a Big Drop in Solar Activity

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    Announcement today at American Astronomical Society meeting. This if true could be very important, if this turns into a Mauder minimum situation we could be looking at a growing season in the Northern Hemisphere that is 30 to 60 days shorter.

    They can't predict Solar activity accurately (see the post on Chaos & computer models) However they are Observing (empirical data) significant changes that are bigger than anticipated (many had predicted a quieter sun than normal but we may be going below those predictions.

    Sun's Fading Spots Signal Big Drop in Solar Activity | Sunspots, Solar Weather & Solar Storms | Solar Cycle | Space.com

    A lot of commentary here and discussions of implications based on studies that have been out for awhile.


    BREAKING – major AAS solar announcement: Sun’s Fading Spots Signal Big Drop in Solar Activity | Watts Up With That?

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    The sun in general has looked far more orange than yellow here in North Florida, could be becuase of wild fire haze off in the distance, but's it a very odd looking sun thes epast 2 days.
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    Could be the big wildfire in Az.
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    This is important as it is the sun that drives climate. Is this related to the talk a year or so ago about us possible entering a period of global cooling?
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    That is correct. This report goes further and indicated a scenario where the sun spots stop altogether for ???? time?

    If you look at teh graph if the Gauss falls below 1500= no sun spots at all, at the current rate that could happen 5 years out.
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    It's actually due to the deveral large wildfires here in NorthFlorida... for the past 3 weeks Jacksonville has been blanketed in smoke, and it's even rained ash more than a few times.
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    BTW IF, we see a Dalton or Mauder type minimumit will provide a test of wether the CO2 crowd is correct or not. Schmidy and Hansen are on record that CO2 doubling will cause a 3.7W/M increase in radiation they are on the record that an even like the Mauder would only have a -.5W/M reduction in radiation. We will also be able to see in there is an increase in cosmic rays hitting the atmosphere and causing cloud formation cooling the planet, as per Svensmark.

    So if things cool the Algore crowd is wrong. The bigger problem is that if we see a prolonged period of cooling like the Little Ice Age, it could severely impact crop production.
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    that's OK......there are plenty of empty commercial warehouses available to grow crap indoors........tomatoes the size of basketballs
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    What about Wheat, Corn and Rice......?
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    same thing.......

    you can actually have 22 levels of wheat growing in a 50 foot-high warehouse.......that's 22 acres of wheat in a 50,000 square foot warehouse.......and the yield would be 4-5X per square foot due to the controlled environment. that's 100 acres of wheat in an industrial park somewhere near your house. you can literally have 3 harvests per year provided you maintain the soil (organic fertilization along with a bit of nitrogen)

    the best thing about having problems is that someone gave us the ability to deal with them. the only thing that is more insane than the harm we are capable of inflicting upon ourselves is the things that people come up with to save themselves

    Corn is a much lower yield given its height, but you could manage 4 or 5 levels.

    Rice you could do underground, next to the mushrooms
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    So why aren't we doing that now?


    My guess is it is much more expensive due to the energy cost...
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    because we don't have to........

    if we have to, we will

    and BTW, it happens alot more than you think......how do you think you get locally grown produce in the middle of the winter?
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    My guess is that you probably minimize the "Farm Fresh Movement" and prefer big agra, gmo and all that.

    Not that there is anything wrong with it. ;););)
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    you're wrong......you can grow better organics indoor than you can outside......you need to learn that efficiency is not synonymous with big anything. which is why efficient mom and pop shops survive everywhere there's a walmart

    its all about your capabilities in light of change. just as in the last ice age.....those who could adapt not only survived, but accelerated their evolution. those who could not simply died
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    It will take an awful lot to convince me of that.. there maybe some new ways, but the old ways have a lot of merit.
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    OK......given the fact that you don't know where most of your food comes from to start with, you're likely already convinced.....you just don't know it.

    there's nothing truly groundbreaking about the concept.......everything involved has already been used in agriculture for many years.....the only thing that's relatively new is the idea of 'vertical farming'.....using hydroponics, you can increase the crop yield of a a given space by orders of magnitude......using the exact same seeds and the exact same nutrients used in farming today.

    the big advantage in this method is how much less resources it consumes......water is reused and the nutrients are looped until consumed, so there is no runoff into rivers......truly green, and efficient.

    since it is indoors, it can be done anywhere, so everyone has local produce

    the only problem with it is that it makes too much sense

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