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    Could you see see Americans doing this if say, for instance, it was a couple children of illegal immigrants? Does it say something about Italians? Can you make the same sort of inference about Italians from this as, for instance, some people make about illegal immigrants because a tiny percentage of them commit terrible crimes.

    http://abcnews.go.com/International/Story?id=5418811&page=1

    Shocking photos of sunbathers on an Italian beach soaking up the rays next to a pair of covered child corpses have Italians reeling.

    The bodies of two drowned Roma children, Cristina Ibramovic, 15, and Viola Ibramovic, 13, lie covered by towels on an Italian beach for an hour while sunbathers carry on, unfazed, on a beach near Naples, Italy.

    The nonchalant beachgoers carried on Saturday as if nothing were amiss, ignoring that two children from the Roma ethnic group had drowned, ostensibly before their eyes.

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    "Unreal, cruel scenes, indicative of how racism has transformed the Italian people into [an] inhuman people, educated by propaganda, to consider the Roma people on a level with animals, unworthy of sentiments of pity and pain."
     
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    I recently visited the Holocaust museam here in DC and while reading the Nazi propaganda and Hitler speeches it was stunning how similar the language used is to todays anti-immigration propaganda. The way in which people scapegoat a segment of the population when things aren't going great, and transform them into a sub-human group that is somehow at fault for the ills of society who deserves no compassion is astounding. You could literally switch the word "jew" with "illegal immigrant" and virtually none of the speeches and pamphlets would be out of place in America today. It's even easier for people to buy into this hysteria when the people they focus their hatred towards are a different color and speak a different language. Sad. Humans have such a large capacity for good but also a truly scary capacity for hatred and cruelty. No society, no matter how "civilized" is immune from this transformation, not Italy, China, England or the U.S., which is exactly why unquestioning nationalism is so bothersome.
     
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    #12 Jersey

    Hysteria being the comparison of US citizens reaction of illegal immigrant to Hitler? PLEASE!
     
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    Another propoganda piece by an MSM hellbent on seeing Amnesty policies passed around the globe. First off let me say that any death, especially when it involves children, is tragic. Second, there are good and bad in every race, ethnicity, people, country, and kind, etc. I highly doubt the immigration status of those children mattered in those beach go'ers decision to sunbathe or not. (look, dead kids, should we stay? Um, well, are they italian? :rolleyes:) Also, while "gyspie" might be deemed derogatory to people here in the states, via the english language, it is not in Italian. The Italian language has something like 6,000 to 9,000 fewer words in it's vocabulary than English. There isn't always a direct translation, and therefore, individual words and phrases carry a more vague meaning. The word gypsie in Italy is not derogatory. It's used to describe anyone that is not from Italy. The MSM couldn't possibly understand that, and if they did, still would ignore it since it sounds more egregious the way they print it.

    Immigration problem: Italy has more coastal area than any other country in Europe. Italy and Spain suffer from massive invasions of illegal aliens from numerous countries and continents that surround it. Italy and Spain have the worst economies in Western Europe. Italy has the slowest growth, and highest inflation in all of western europe. Illegal immigration has been a huge problem for Italy for well over 10 years now. The original compassion for the problem has grown to frustration, as the inception of the Euro has destroyed the quality of life for the middle, and lower classes. Immigration is contributing to the bankrupcy of the country. Italy is a socialist country with exhorbent taxes, and massive government assistance for anyone that puts hand out. As someone who's been there everyyear since birth, the working class is genuinely fed up. There quality of life has seriously declined in the last 10 years. I've seen it first hand.
     
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    Kinda silly isn't it.
     
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    #24 Jersey

    Understanding the comparison to Hitler was just the words - Give me a f*cking break. When we build gas chambers for illegals and start mass executions then you can compare is with Nazi Germany. Until then, well . . . . I won't say it.
     
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    Terrific Straw man, too bad I didn't say anything close to that. I said the LANGUAGE in the propaganda was the same. TRY READING BEFORE TYPING.
     
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    Despite the fact that that sentence makes absolutely no sense, I never said anything about the "reaction of US citizens" nor did I compare anyone to Hitler. Some people have a very difficult time reading things carefully before responding with vapid statements such as this. Especially people with ironic Samuel L. Jackson gifs as their sig.
     
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    Do you have any actual evidence to support the claim that this is just a "propaganda piece?" The article is about the reaction in Italy to the photographs and the reason behind the reaction.

    England - http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/the-picture-that-shames-italy-873743.html

    Australia - http://news.smh.com.au/world/sunbathers-ignore-dead-gypsy-girls-20080722-3j9x.html

    Faux News - http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,387443,00.html

    It's a story that's being carried around the world. Stop talking out of your ass for a change just because it reflects negatively on your hateful outlook. The idea that you rush to defend such inhuman images and try to downplay the story as meaningless is extremely telling. Nice try on the spin job though. But congrats on being lucky enough to have been born in the US. I feel sorry for you that your parents raised you to believe you somehow earned or are entitled to more than other human beings simply because you won the sperm lottery. It's a crying shame that you don't comprehend yet, at the age of 33, the danger that comes with dehgumanizing and scapegoating a small segment of the population. Maybe someday society will blame its problems on dumbass Italian Americans who have no clue how lucky they have it and just bitch all day about how poor people are ruining their lives, then you'll really be fucked.
     
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    Just because you made an idiotic comparison, and were called out for it by a couple of posters, you shouldn't take it out on my sig. :p
     
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    #24 Jersey

    How about if YOU try it :

    I admitted it up front. But just like there's innocent racial comments that just shouldn't be said, comparisons to Hitler are the same.
     
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    Just because you didn't read what I wrote carefully, and right wingers here are incapable of self reflection doesn't mean I was "called out" it just means you're incapable of understanding anything beyond "it's the Mexicans fault." And your sig is hilarious because you didn't bother to read what I wrote properly, or think about it in any way, before responding with an asinine straw man. Preach on, Samuel L.
     
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    It's a propoganda piece. Did you read it? The fact that you love it so much is all the proof I need. To give credence to a group that insinuates the drownings to be murder, absolutely prove it's garbage.

    First of all, I didn't defend anyone, or anything. Reading comprehension continues to be a problem with you.

    You always let your emotions get in the way of logic. Just cuz I'm opposed to illegal immigration, I have a "hateful outlook". :rolleyes: Of course, the fact that I completely support LEGAL immigration is ignored. Roma's La Raza calls it murder, and the MSM prints it. Nah, no propoganda there. :rofl: The deaths are tragic, but logic tells us that the immigration status of the kids is inconsequential to the insensitivity that those beach goers may, or may not have. Ack, but who needs logic when we can be hysterically emotional right?
     
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    Yeah you added that meaningless disclaimer followed by this:

    Which is a blatant straw man. I never said anything along the lines of Americans treating Illegal immigrants the same way Germans treated the Jews. I said the photo shows how ordinary people can become monsters when they begin to blame a small segment of the population for their problems and start seeing them as inferior. So stop being so ridiculously defensive. America isn't perfect, and it's people are not inherently better people than others from around the world.
     
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    #24 Jersey

    It was a blatant "find another example and shut the f*ck up with your Hitler comparisons".
     
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    Oh, I read it real carefully. Too bad you didn't do the same. :p

    So I guess, in Waldo World, that anyone opposed to illegal immigration is a hateful person hell bent on racism. :rofl:
     
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    I guess this guy was an illegal right? People didn't care about him. No wait, maybe this happened in Italy. :rolleyes:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3s4zAh3-HEE

    Like I said in my original post. There is good and bad in every race, creed, color, ethnicity, or whatever. That would mean Italians, Americans, blacks, whites, makes, females, etc.
     
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    Here we go again lol. You are A) lying, NOWHERE in the article does it say anything about "insuating murder." So there's one part you just completely made up. And B) haven't pointed out one single way in which I "didn't read the article properly."

    You made the mistake of seeing ABC and immediately dismissed it out of complete ignorance. Now I've shown you that it's a hige story being carried around the world and, as usual you look like a complete ass.

    Case in point: "The fact that you loved the story so much says all it needs to say about you."

    Might be the dumbest thing you've ever written. Might be. Ofcourse, someone with your superior reading comprehension skills would reald the words "sad" and "cruelty" and talk about scapegoating and hate propaganda in my original post and come out with the statement that I "loved" the article:rofl:

    Well done RW, you've outdone yourself in both hypocrisy and stupidity. Now THAT's saying something.
     
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    well here's a blatant, go **** yourself, the analogy is accurate. If the economy went in the ****ter tomorrow and someone rose to power convincing everyone that it was all illegal Mexican immigrants fault, you'd be right there snoozing nonchalantly while police beat mexican families. Just look at the way Hate World writes and you can see it bloiling under the surface. First illegal immigration was a problem, now you demonize the "criminal" aliens. If things ever really get bad the ugly side of people will come out, or should I say, the real side of Real World will come out. Not learning the lessons of Nazi Germany and applying the basic understanding of human nature that caused it is your downfall.

    There's Mutha Fuckin Mexicans on My Mutha Fuckin Plane!
     
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    You really are an ignorant individual. Sure, I made it up. :rolleyes: You did know that there were 3 pages to the story? they printed that LaRaza's groups opinion that there was foul play involved. Please get a clue, or at least, learn how to read. It's fundamental! :p

    From the ABC article:
    What an idiot.
     
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