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  1. Patters

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    This legacy from the Reagan era is costing us an enormous amount of money, plus it must be creating poverty and other problems for many families. It seems obvious to me that this is another area where conservative philosophy has failed badly. Their approach has helped lower crime rates somewhat, but at what cost? There must be a better way.... I have it! Let's invest in people before they become criminals. That way we won't have to pay to keep them in prison, and we won't have as many victims.

    Study: 1 in 31 U.S. adults in prison system - Crime & courts- msnbc.com

    "NEW YORK - The number of offenders on parole and probation across the United States has surged past 5 million, complicating the challenges for fiscally ailing states as they try to curb corrections costs without jeopardizing public safety, according to a new report.

    "The Pew Center on the States report, released Monday, says the number of people on probation or parole nearly doubled to more than 5 million between 1982 and 2007. Including jail and prison inmates, the total population of the U.S. corrections system now exceeds 7.3 million — one of every 31 U.S. adults, it said."

    The report also noted huge discrepancies among the states in regard to the total corrections population — one of every 13 adults in Georgia and one of every 18 in Idaho at one end of the scale, one of every 88 in New Hampshire at the other extreme. The racial gap also was stark — one of every 11 black adults is under correctional supervision, one of every 27 Hispanic adults, one of every 45 white adults.
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    Brilliant conclusion. Regan's fault. Why didn't you just blame it on the white party?.................Geez, why does liberal MA have so many in jail?
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    The study includes people on probation and parole as being "in the prison system" which of course, we all know means DUIs. If you factor out DUIs, I'm sure then number will plummet.

    If you factor out "children of single parent homes", then the racial divide absolutely dissappears in the prison system. YOU ARE MUCH MORE LIKELY TO GO TO JAIL BECAUSE YOU ARE THE PRODUCT OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, rather than your race.


    Reagan did the absolute smartest thing, when he abolished parole in the Federal System. NOBODY WANTS TO GO TO TRAIL (becuase they are afraid of the sentece that they would get once convicted), it greatly reduces the court backlogs.
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    It's just another failure of conservative philosophy. Conservatives believe in government with the resources to fight and punish criminals, but not with the resources to prevent the conditions that turn people into criminals and create victims. Do you disagree?
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    The DEMOCRATS have forced people into being criminals, by rewarding and promoting single parenthood. Seriously how many people here would have been a stupid punk, IF YOU HAD NO FATHER AROUND TO KEEP YOU ON THE STRAIGHT AN NARROW! Long before I knew what was right and wrong, my father knew, and he kept me in line. We have 1/2 our population either not even know who their father is, or he is absent all together. Numerous studies have shown that this is a much bigger factor in who is and is not going to be a criminal, in fact, if you factor this variable out of the equation, the criminal rates for all races are equal.

    If you realy want to reduce crime, elimiate welfare, give tax incentives to married couples, and put higher taxes on single parents.
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    Kids need their dads (or two parent households), in large part because of the advantages of having two people watch over them and the extra income of two people. But many of troubled kids have dads in prison. Had we only helped those dads when they were young, perhaps they would not have become criminals and perhaps their children would not become criminals? (By the way, the bulk of the evidence shows that kids from 2 mom or 2 dad households fare just as well as kids from straight households.)

    Eliminating welfare wouldn't reduce crime in any way; it would just make troubled people more desperate and penalize their kids. Change welfare, perhaps, but don't eliminate it. I'm all for more incentives to people with kids, but it makes no sense to give tax incentives to married couples without kids or to raise taxes on single parents. In fact, raising taxes on single parents seems cruel. Don't you care about the wives and children of our soldiers who died in Iraq or our police and firemen who died on 9/11? Or the raped woman who decided to bare the child? Or perhaps you're trying to encourage unmarried women to have abortions?
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    Reagan is the reason those adults committed crimes. :rofl:
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    This has got to be the dumbest post I've ever read on these boards. First you blame Reagan, then the conservative philosophy. How ignorant. Not only do you not make any sense whatsoever, you sound like an intoxicated baffoon.
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    What an insightful response to specific question! Adding further irony, you actually managed to misspell buffoon. (A suggestion, if you're going to insult someone's intelligence, don't use insults you don't know how to spell.) And apparently, you're unaware of the relationship between Reagan and conservative philosophy. Good job, ljuneau.
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    A big bold statement that sounds more like a right wing talking point than a fact, unless you can back it up.. which I doubt.

    But it may make sense in the context that poverty is the greatest factor here, absent parents do not support their families.. then if there is a court appearance the subsequent reliance on court ordered attorneys.
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    Patters, don't shoot the messenger just 'cause you don't like his message. Your assertion that the high rate of prison incarcerations in the U.S. all hinges on Ronald Reagan and the conservative view of life is simply partisanship on your part. Sure, the conservative view is long on "tough love" and generally short on "compassion", but you must admit that liberal notions that indiscriminate welfare check allocation is somehow a "right" in America only stimulates more people to exercise that false "right" and to prolong their own servitude in the process.

    When the system is gameable, it WILL be gamed; and the U.S. system is clearly much too soft on people who simply don't want to take responsibility for themselves and their own decisions in life.

    Liberalism has been a blindly reflexive attempt to fix "injustices" by spreading the injustices to ALL, not fixing the injustices that have been done to the victims. To fix the problem requires some fresh ideas and most of all a willingness to see the big overall picture based upon one's personal responsibility. Bringing children into the world is everyone's right, but it also is a undeniable responsibility that cannot be avoided.


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    The article and related charts:

    Eric Holder's Chickens Come Home to Roost

    The specific study:

    In The Atlantic Monthly, Barbara Dafoe Whitehead noted that the "relationship [between single-parent families and crime] is so strong that controlling for family configuration erases the relationship between race and crime and between low income and crime. This conclusion shows up time and again in the literature. The nation's mayors, as well as police officers, social workers, probation officers, and court officials, consistently point to family break up as the most important source of rising rates of crime."

    Congressional Testimony:

    http://www.cato.org/testimony/ct-wc67.html
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    It goes on to say:

    Democracy Now! | Decades of Disparity: New Study Underscores Severity of Racial Bias in Drug-Related Law Enforcement
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    THE LIBERALS VIEW OF THE CRIMINAL:
    Blame Society
    Blame America
    Blame God
    Blame Jesus
    Blame Reagan
    Blame BUSH

    But never blame the dirty smelly scumsucking criminal.

    SENSEBLE REALITY HARRYS VIEW OF THE CRIMINAL:
    There are savages in Prison that would disembowel a crippled little 10 year old girl while she screamed and cried for her mommy, then after the disembowelization the savage would go to bed and sleep like a baby, THATS NOT RONALD REAGANS FAULT, THATS HOW THE FILTHY VERMINS MIND WORKS, THESE PEOPLE BELONG IN DUNGEONS FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES ALL THE DO-GOODING AND CRAZY MID NIGHT BASKET BALLING IN THE WORLD WON'T HELP THESE SWINE, THEY ENJOY KILLING, ROBBING AND RAPING, THEIR NUMBERS ARE GROWING.
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    I am aware of the relationship between Reagan and conservative philosophy. I'm just dumbfounded that someone would magically tie it to the subject of this thread, without at least detailing how they came to their conclusions.

    Since you're one of those "blame conservatives for everything" kind of individuals, I guess I should not have expected more. I am surprised though that you didn't blame Bush.
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    Stopped reading at this point. Another useless post.
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    The data referenced in the blog generated by I MAPP, is headed by Maggie Gallagher..

    Maggie Gallagher - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    No one can argue that the two most important factors of incarceration are poverty and lack of a father figure. The same two factors could prolly be said for teen pregnancy which becomes a self-feeding monster.
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    So basically you're saying that Reagan knocked up a lot of teenagers in his time, which is why Patters thinks he is to blame. :confused:

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