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Student Braves Controversy, Refuses to Recite Pledge

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    "Liberty and justice for all?"

    Will Phillips doesn't believe that describes America for its gay and lesbian citizens. He's a 10-year-old at West Fork Elementary School in Arkansas, about three hours east of Oklahoma City. Given his beliefs, he refused to recite the Pledge of Allegiance, specifically because that one phrase, "liberty and justice for all," he says, does not truly apply to all.

    That did not go over well with the substitute teacher in his fifth-grade classroom.

    The Arkansas Times reports that he started refusing to say the pledge Mon., Oct. 5. By Thursday, the substitute was steamed. She told Will she knew his mother and grandmother and they would want him to recite the pledge.

    Will told the Times the substitute got more and more upset. She raised her voice. By this point, Will told the newspaper, he started losing his cool too, adding: "After a few minutes, I said, 'With all due respect ma'am, go jump off a bridge.'"

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    Interesting story, interesting locale... the kid seems very bright, have to wonder if they ignored it if it would go away... not sure 10 year olds are capable of making any decisions about these kind of beliefs...

    Now he will be cause celebre for someone or some cause, sure in America there are kids who do not pledge the flag for one reason or another...
     
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    Apparently the teacher was wrong about this, too.

    I love it!!
     
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    What part do you love?
     
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    Poor kids been brainwashed by the loon pigs, he should be out fishing somewhere with his dog or climbing a tree........

    When the scumsuckers get complete control of your children they then have complete control of the next generation.

    GOD DAMN BASTARDS
     
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    Yeah, what part do you love?

    Are gays not entitled to be with whoever they want? Are they not entitled to fair trial if accused of something? I don't agree with the idea that they don't have "liberty and justice."
     
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    What about this story do you "love" so much? Personally, I find is disheartening to see how many people are raised in a country they clearly disdain.
     
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    I can't imagine a parent allowing this sh!t to be pumped into a 9 or 10 year olds head, I wonder if the poor kid can spell his own name with all the other garbage they have loaded him up with I doubt it....
     
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    In seventh grade I refused during an assembly to stand for the Pledge because I was against the Vietnam War. I got sent to the Assistant Principal's office. My parents taught me to do right and wrong, not stand blindly with the status quo when the status quo was wrong. That kid deserves a lot of credit for the courage he showed in standing up for what he believes.

    Look at it this way Harry, if your great grandchild someday refuses to recite the pledge in Spanish, will you criticize him?
     
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    That you regard free expression as a form of disdain tells me that you're talking about yourself when you talk about people raised in a country they clearly disdain. This country is great because people are free, and that freedom is what has made our nation the world leader in terms of human rights. Conservatives have always resisted human rights, but our freedom of expression has been the boot that has kicked oppression into the dustbin of history time and again. (I'm not talking about Republicans because oftentimes Democrats were just as bad.)
     
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    We need to pass gay marriage NOW, so this kid can recite the pledge. If we lose his voice each weekday morning at school chanting to our flag we've lost everything!

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    10 yrs old and the kid is mixed up in politically correct politics, 10 years old, as I said earlier he should be out in his yard climbing a tree.
     
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    I first marched against the Vietnam War when I was 10 years old. Someone asked me if I knew what Vietnam was. I was stumped.
     
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    I don't think you read my post. I agree he has the right to abstain from the Pledge. What I don't understand is why people would be so happy and so proud that there are children being taught to hold their own country in such low regard.

    Since you jumped in to a question I posed to Mrs.PFnVA, I will ask you the same question: Where's the "I love it!" part of this sad story?
     
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    This is just another nontroversy that is played on by the right, does anyone in their right mind really believe that a ten year old can make a rational decision about this type of thing....

    Not sure of the necessity to politicize 10 year olds, there is enough fodder for both sides for about 10 years...
     
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    So why did you march! Did someone tell you too.
     
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    Here's a little factoid to consider.

    "Liberty & Justice for all" will never mean that a man can be a wife or a woman can be a husband. Those are traits you're either born with or require an operation to change.

    If a man ever introduced another man and said "this is my wife"...I'd look him square in his eyes and tell him, "No, you're mistaken sir...a man can not be a wife"

    He can be his partner or husband...but certainly NOT his wife.

    We should all teach our children these basic facts.
     
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    I'm all for the tax cuts! I didn't know you supported them Diver.
     
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    It's wonderful that a young kid stands up for something he believes in, especially something that concerns human rights. What can be more American than that? Just because he does not agree with something does not mean he holds the country in low regard. Do you think those conservatives who claim Obama is making our country socialist hold our country in low regard?
     
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    He's 10 years old. He does not know what he believes in. Some one told him to do what he does!
     

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