Discussion in 'Patriots Draft Talk' started by mayoclinic, Jan 13, 2010.
Which of the following strongside pass rushers would you prefer to take in the 22-42 range?
I've read both hardy and dunlap seem to have issues with not showing up during the game so i voted for romeous.
I haven't voted yet, as I'm torn between Dunlap and Romeus. Dunlap has the most upside but has inconsistency and off-field issues. Romeus seems safer and has a ton of upside, but perhaps not quite the athleticism of Dunlap.
I'm not sold on Dunlap. I can see the appeal, especially after the Gators' post-season performances with and without him (you tell me they're not a better team with him in there), but work-ethic is a big big thing for the Pats. You can say what you like about any 'character issue' player BB has ever taken on board, but none of them, not Corey, not Randy, not Brandon, had a question over their desire and ability to work.
However, if we do take him, then I'll be happy, because it means BB knows everything there is to know about him, his pluses and his minuses, and feels that he's the best option.
Hardy - I loved him earlier in the season, but the more I've watched him the colder I feel. And I'm not sure why. I think, think, it's the lack of burst he has. Yourself, BOR and Ochmed (aka the Magi ) always talk about being 'sudden'. To me he's not 'sudden'.
By default, it has to be Romeus. Although he's a great player anyway. I feel much more comfortable with him than the other two.
Carlos Dunlap is the real deal.i know he got in trouble.but coach b can take care of that
It's not the getting in trouble I have a problem with, it's his motivation and desire.
well bring him in here show him how we do it in new england if the coaches and draft scouts see him lookin good take him .
We won't need to bring him in to discover that. Belichick has direct line to Dunlap's best evaluator - Coach Meyer. If Meyer gives him a clean bill of health, I'm all for it.
If he says he has issues - steer clear.
i rather have him then not get to the qb or let rbs run all over us .but yea if coach b does not like him cuz of his issues
The other two guys are good pass rushers, don't forget. Hardy will likely be a top 20 pick.
true .then take the pitt guy .i never heard much of the miss guy,but u never know he could be a beast
Selvie wouldn't be a strongside DE/OLB, he'd be on the weakside list. If you want to add him, feel free. He's not on my list of top guys I'd consider, but is much further down along with guys like Jermaine Cunningham, Brandon Lang, O'Brien Schofield and Jason Worilds.
Greg Romeus is returning to Pitt for his senior year.
Pittsburgh Panthers' Greg Romeus returning for senior season - ESPN
Bummer. Cross him off the list.
Perhaps Brandon Graham should be added as a strongside candidate. I left Derrick Morgan off because he will go top 15 and because he seems like more of a pure 4-3 DE at this point.
Oh, being a teammate of JPP, I thought he'd be on the opposite list. I'll try and apply some logic somehow...
My vote's for Hardy. I think he's the complete package and the real deal. I wouldn't be opposed to Dunlap though.
I like Brandon Graham a lot. Although he lacks ideal height, he is really stout against the run and shows good effort when chasing down the ballcarrier, can tackle in space. His bullrush is pretty devastating too.
JPP actually plays on the string-side.
Derrick Burgess backed up by Corey Wooton & Rob Ninkovich.
For once the Combine would actually be useful, because the first 10 yards of the 40 is a great evaluator for explosion off the line. It's not perfect, but great times here can stun scouts especially when they don't expect it. A low 1.5 is a very good indicator; Clay Matthews did a 1.49 last year, amazingly.
Good article on this from Wes Bunting last year
For USF, JPP plays on the strong side and Selvie on the weak side. Maybe I should have listed JPP here instead of in the weakside poll, but I think that his skills are ultimately better suited for that role, though he is flexible enough to probably play either.
I am a Dunlap fan and as I said in the weak side thread I think Hardy would be a good prize in the Second. I really think that his problems against the run will make him slide.
If Romeus declared, I'd choose him. But since he didn't, I'd go for Dunlap.
I like Dunlap, I see him as a young Julius Peppers both physically and mentally...
In a perfect world, Derrick Morgan is available. Seeing as though this draft won't occur on a perfect world, I'd take Brandon Graham. By the time all the juniors have declared, he'll drop into the second round.
There's an argument for putting JPP on the other-side, but looking at the way he gets off the snap, I'd play him weak-side all day long. That's where you want your quickest pass rusher.
I've watched a fair bit of USF, and Selvie and he swapped sides a fair old bit. But even then, you always came away far more impressed by JPP than Selvie, who is going to burn the fingers of someone.
He should have come out last year.
Whilst I love Morgan, he strikes me as being similar to Burgess in the way that he looks like he's tailor-made to play 3-4 OLB, but is really at his best with his hand-in the dirt and his back-side in the air.
To me he's a 4-3 DE, although I'd love to see whether he could play standing up (which he did for a little while in the Bowl game so I hear?).
I agree, and that's why I listed JPP and Austen Lane under the weakside pass rushers, even though they have the versatiity to play both sides (whereas guys like Ricky Sapp, Sergio Kindle and Von Miller seem to me to be purely weak side guys).
I love Morgan too, but I agree with you. He's better suited as a 4-3 DE. And he's almost certainly a top 15 pick, possibly top 10. I didn't include him because of those 2 reasons, though perhaps I should have.
Looks like the youtube draft videos have already begun:
YouTube - Carlos Dunlap vs. Tennessee
This is good b/c it shows a whole lot of plays from the game, positive & negative ones. Which is way better than the standard highlight reel.
I never get to see any of these games so this is the first time i've seen dunlap. I watched about 2/3 rds of the video on quite a few plays he appears to me to get pushed around or buried. Since i don't know if hes the only d-lineman the opposition has to worry about.
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