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  1. PromisedLand

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    punting on 3rd and 3 with about 1:40 to go - what tha? BB as usual was brilliant for most of the game - the quick kick earlier in the 4th quarter was pure genius - but what was the point of punting on 3rd down the second time? There was no surprise as the regular punter was on the field, and there was an opportunity to run another 40 seconds off the clock, even by kneeling down. There was no reason for that at all, and with a 13 point lead the game was NOT out of reach - a quick score followed by a recovered onside kick could have made things very uncomfortable.

    Can anyone explain that call?
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    I thought you meant the initial weird punt by Cassel. Maybe Bill called the punt to give them some time back that they got screwed out of. Good sportsmanship perhaps. I don't know
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    I'm glad you brought that up, because I had thought I lost count of the downs.
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    Just be happy with the win. BB coached us to an 11-5 record this year and on the cusp of a division win or wild card birth without Tom Brady. I didn't get it either but trying to read BB's mind would be an exercise in futility. I'm sure he'll explain it in the postgame presser.
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    Only thing could be that Bill was hedging against a possible bad snap on fourth down, like when teams try the game winning FG kick on third down. Either that or he didn't know what down it was.:eek:
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    Have we ruled out the possibility of that actually being 4th down and the graphic on CBS was wrong? I am watching in a bar that I couldn't hear whether the commentators discussed it or not.
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    Per the ESPN scoreboard (link), it was 3rd down.
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    It does give them another attempt in case of a bad snap. It's better to give up the extra 15 yards of field position than turn it over so close with only 67 seconds remaining.
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    definite head scratcher. I think as stated it was to hedge against bad snap. Or maybe the wind had just died down and they wanted to take advantage?
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    Well I hope someone asks him about it at the postgame PC.
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    If they had taken a knee on the play there is no risk. They would have been punting with about 37 second left and a two score lead. Even a blocked kick and you're still in business. It's a bizzare call.
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    I'm sure he won't... :D

    Maybe that's what he wanted... 11 teams wondering what the hell he's going to do in playoffs... :eek:
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    I thought he did it to pin the Bills back for the final several minutes that were left. This took them by surprise and that's why it worked so well.

    Either that or BB lost track of the down.:p
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    Anybody know what the deal was here?

    Dierdorf and Gumbel were too stupid to comment.
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    Until I came across this thread I was convinced I had lost track of the downs too.
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    I'd hazard a thought he was interested in preserving the shut out, as I didn't notice a down loss during that series at all.
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    That call was dope!
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    I was at the game and didn't understand it either. All you can surmise is that BB felt preserving the win was more efficient playing defense with the Bills having to drive a long way against the wind. You can't argue with the final results -- a shutout.
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    Yup.

    1 Punting on 3rd is less likley to be blocked and better odds to pin Buffalo deep.
    2 Buffalo has the ball going into the wind down by 2 scores.
    3 Passing the ball is risky resulting in INTS.
    4 Rushing the ball runs the clock out if Buffalo cannot get out of bounds.
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    There's no reason to thinking punting on 3rd is any less likely to be blocked or pin Buff deep than punting on 4th. As I pointed out in the original post, there was no element of surprise here. Our punter was out on the field. Why not kneel down first and give the Bills 40 less seconds to work with?
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    IBBWT. Hopefully we'll get an answer in todays press conference.... if he even has one.
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    Setting a precident. If there is a possibility that he could punt on third down that is something other teams should account for. If other teams account for it, it also adds the possibility of a fake quick punt on third down.
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    He's had Brady do that before also. Clearly the idea was to pin them back near the goal line and force them to drive the entire legnth of the field and chew up the clock. They probably wouldn't have converted a 3rd and long and the Bill's would have their special teams ready to block or return the punt on the 4th.. Not a bad move by Belichick at all. He obviously knew what down it was.
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    After listening to Cassels interview on EEI, I believe the punt was on 3rd down because long snapping into the wind was very risky. I think they just wanted a second attempt if the first snap got muffed by the wind.
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    Of course. Pure safety play - pure Belichick pragmatic game management.

    Trade off of
    possible bad snap or blocked punt which could have given the Jets a touchdown or field position near or in the Patriots red zone with 40 seconds or so left
    versus
    two chances to punt the ball with wind at the punters back and put the ball in the Jets end of the field with 1:10 or less to play and no time outs for Bills.

    By the way, the ball WAS snapped a little high up at the top of or a little above Hansen's head - he had to go up on his toes to get the snap. Good call by Belichick.

    Also, it wasn't a surprise to the Bills the way it played. They were in punt receiving mode.
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    The only way buffalo was scoring twice in the little time that was remaining was if they got a turnover or PR TD for the first one, since they couldn't throw into the wind. Punting on 3rd down allowed them to catch the Bills off guard, making a block or return TD virtually impossible.
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    Actually, there is. On third down, the defense must be aware of a fake punt, and take care to prevent it. That means not rushing in and letting the "punter" get outside and run for a first.

    Remember, there is no risk in a fake punt on third down. If it is unsuccessful, you can still punt of fourth down.

    Punting on third down made sure the Bills weren't in a block-the-punt mentality, and made sure to pin them deep.



    Winning the game wasn't in question. Preserving the shutout was. This made sure the Bills were pinned and would be unlikely to score.

    The players were disappointed about losing the shutout against the Cards, and BB did his part, once the game was won, to help insure a shutout.
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    I suspect BB would disagree with this statement. There are many instances of two scores happening in very tiny time intervals. Sure it's VERY unlikely, but it's certainly not outside the realm of possibility. I think BB made the call to make that possiblity as minute as he could.
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