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Stimulus money for the National Endowment of the Arts

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  1. cupofjoe1962

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    What a waist of money......

    Lets give money to this foul group that has sponsored the following...

    Ron Athey’s performances, (funded by the NEA), cause panics, as well as disgusts many people. His show consists of him slicing the flesh of his partner, and throwing the blood soaked towels over the audience s’ heads. This caused panic in the theater s in which he performed because he, and possibly his partner, is infected with AIDS.

    They call this performance art !

    Another example would be the work of Dread Scott and his piece entitled "What is the Proper way to Display the U.S. Flag?" This piece contains a picture of Koreans burning an American flag during a political protes t. This picture is hung on the wall in the gallery it is being displayed in with the title painted over it.

    Lets not forget Robert Maplethorpe's crucifix submerged in the artist's urine.
    We don't have to worry about him anymore. He died of Aids (There is a suprise).
     
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  2. Patriot_in_NY

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    Your tax dollars hard at work :rolleyes:
     
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    Some art evokes a strong emotional response, and it's good that even without seeing it, it affected you deeply, even made you want to speak out.

    Serano's Piss Christ is no more that a commentary on the commercialization of Christ. It is a juxtaposition between the sacred and profane. Therein lies it's power.

    The point of some art is not to like, it's to make people think and feel. That kind of art does not belong in one's home, in my opinion.
     
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    #24 Jersey

    The point is, it doesn't belong in a stimulus bill. It's a SPENDING bill not a stimulus bill.
     
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    Swell,

    I think the point is that should we really use stimulus fund (taxpayer money) to pay for some guy to piss in an glass and dump a crucifix into it?

    Sure, it's makes us all think...... and perhaps some even get boners when they look at it, but how the fukc does it "jumpstart" the housing and credit markets? :rolleyes:
     
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    Personally, I think American culture is worth investing in, and artists often live quite cheaply. A $10,000 grant might employ an artist for a year and generate all sorts of income for others. Also, the overwhelming majority of these artists are not doing anything that's controversial.
     
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    #24 Jersey

    You want to "invest" ? Great, send them a check. Leave me out of it. I have artists of a different genre who I would love to keep in business but progressive rock and metal bands need to earn their keep the old fashioned way. I hate to see them go away because they don't make money but as Brady says "sh!t happens". Why does your artists get invested in and not mine ? It's lunacy. Spend your own money, quit spending mine.
     
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    This isn't the first time the USA has given some coin to struggling artists during a time of serious economic upheaval. Arthur Miller, Orson Wells, Elia Kazan, maybe nobody ever hears of theses guys without a little aid from the feds when times were tough. Even then it was a tiny, tiny fraction of the total money spent and the exact same sort of people did nothing but complain. Its funny how times change; but people don't.
     
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    We're all aware that grants are awarded for art we may not individually like or appreciate. In fact, grants will be awarded for art nobody really likes, but some people appreciate.

    There is art called commercial art, and artists called commercial artists... commercial artists and fine artists are by no means mutually exclusive. The decision's been made a long time ago, and upheld even through the less art-friendly times in our recent history, to fund the arts. Most Americans want "Piss Christ" to go away, if they hear about it in a vacuum. They may not want to do without the universe of arts and artists that NEA subsidizes.

    The first Harry Potter book was written on a Scottish Arts Council grant, and I could pretty readily pooh-pooh the project if you gave me the synopsis and asked me to describe its value to society (or why the artist shouldn't just have to take her chances waiting tables and writing on the side, etc. etc. etc.) For better or worse, JK Rowling's books have been probably the most read and most enjoyed printed matter in recent history (since the 90s.)

    Never read 'em myself, but I think the point is that it is actually a good thing for artists to have work.

    The job as a waitress will therefore be available to someone who is looking to wait tables until she becomes an actress or something. And that's stimulus.

    PFnV
     
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    ...and perhaps one grant may go to an innovative phonics teaching book, so nobody in America ever again confuses "waste" (useless expenditure) with "waist", that bit of the body between the upper torso and the hips.
     
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    Pretty confident that this is an uncredited source.. interesting to see where this comes from... worldnet??? Newsmax??? Ultrarightwingiehysteria.com??? rightwingcirclejerk.com???
     
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    How can anyone in their right mind support this garbage kickbacks to the campaign boosters bill? It is so clearly obvious it is comical, especially with Obama claiming the world will end tomorrow if we don't skip actually reading the thing and pass it through as quick as possible.
     
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    Let me agree with you here 100%.

    I am disgusted at the the fact that this "Stimulus Bill" is more Bill than Stimulus.

    My hope is that the rework going on in the Senate and with the Obama Administration will cut out the Pelosi/Maxine waters nonsense and INCREASE infrastructure projects that are ready to hit the ground.

    The extreme Left is flat out wrong to load up non-stimulus spending in this.

    The Right is flat out wrong in pushing for tax cuts - - we've had two of the biggest comprehensive tax cuts the past 7 years and look where that got us.

    The MIDDLE needs to rise up, throw off the shackles and BUILD this country back to preeminence.
     
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    Sort of like the garbage kickbacks to military industrial complex that happened over the years, only vastly less costly. Perhaps if people like you spoke up then, people like you would carry a little more credibility on your concern for government wastefulness now.
     
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    Jesus Christ Our Lord Floating In The Urine Of A Blasphemous Liberal Scum Sucking Swine:

    Not to long ago in our lifetime a great man went to our Nations Capital, his people and those that believed as he believed followed him, they sang, they cried and they laughed with joy at the words that will remain in our history forever.

    This great God Fearing Man who himself was a man of God, this man spent his adult life spreading the words of Jesus, he stood in a pulpit and told the Story Of Jesus to his congregation thousands of times, this man was a Minister Of God, this man loved Jesus Christ, he said so many, many times, this man surely did Love Jesus Christ Lord, this man carried his Holy Bible with him wherever he went, tears came to his eyes as he opened this book and read the words of our Lord, our own Jesus Christ, The Lord who gave his life for the dirty rotten bastards who now submerged his little body in a bottle filled with “Left Wing Piss”.
    I now say unto the Lord God “forgive the slimey son of a b!tches Lord for they know not what they do”

    Today, when this mans name is mentioned the “Liberal Piss People” the scum suckers who smiled at the sight of our Lord floating in the yellow urine of a fellow vermin’s filthy body, when his name is mentioned their HYPOCRISY shines like a beacon, they claim to love this man but they Diarrhea all over his beliefs.

    That man, MARTIN LUTHER KING JR (he loved the savior Jesus, floating in the yellow piss)

    If Martin Luther King Jr had lived to look upon the small body of Jesus Christ Our Lord submerged in stinking Liberal Piss he would have wept.

    The nasty pigs who put Jesus Christ in a jar of piss don’t even dare to whisper the word “Allah” even in their darkened bedrooms, cowardly slops, I say unto them “F—k Thee.

    WHAT A FRIEND WE HAVE IN JESUS
    ALL OUR SINS AND GRIEF TO BEAR
    WHAT A PRIVALIGE TO CARRY
    EVERYTHING TO GOD IN PRAYER
     
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    Argue this on it's own merits or admit you're wrong. Maybe defense spending is too wasteful, maybe it's not, THAT'S ANOTHER ARGUMENT. Should this money be in the stimulus bill ? The answer is no.
     
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    I'm really dumbfounded, albeit, not surprised, that people are quasi defending this type of spending, when the country is in financial distress. I'm absolutely positive though, that if this were a GW proposal, Patters & Co would be supporting similar type spending. Afterall, it's art.
     
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    Yes, I believe there are certain things that are important to our culture and our continuing heritage. Art, sports, and family farming may not be especially profitable, but they represent valuable skills, to some degree economically, but also in terms of what it means to be an American. The United States is more than an economic system. Much more.
     
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    #24 Jersey

    The is an ECONOMIC STIMULUS so don't start defending things which are "more than an economic system"; that crap should be out of the bill and proposed in it's own bill to stand or fall on it's own merits.
     
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    Defeat The Bill It Is Nothing But Socialist Crap
     

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