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    The city is a "war zone," in the words of a friend reporting back to me what a nun in Mother Teresa's order calls it. The Catholic order has a home in the middle of the mayhem in inner city Baltimore.

    But I had heard there were good, safe places, such as by the harbor. Apparently, not anymore.

    Assaults on rise in downtown, Inner Harbor -- baltimoresun.com

    HT: Baltimore's black youth intifada

    Looks my only visiting of Baltimore will be its airport.

    Another municipality "saved" by the glories of Democratically controlled politics, media, and the judges. See what liberalism can do for you? Look what it's done for Gary, Indiana, and Detroit, Baltimore, Louisville, etc.

    Where's Rudy Guiliani when you need him?
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    The "Left Wing" doesn't want you to know about this and the "Right Wing" won't report it because the "Left Wing" will call them RACIST for reporting it, the "Poor Bastards" in Baltimore are left holding the bag and sh!tting their pants.

    If something like this was going on in Montana the National Guard would have been sent in and Mush Mouth Matthews would be spitting and yelling about it until he fell off his chair.

    In The Absence Of Law And Order Society Will Surely Destroy Itself

    AMERICA IS GOING INSANE
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    Crime is related to poverty, not race. Liberals want to address poverty, but conservatives balk at the expenditures. Liberals also want to increase spending on education, but there again conservatives are reluctant to spend more money.

    State, what do you think should be done to PREVENT such outbreaks. Also, if you're afraid of a handful of random acts of violence, you probably can't go anywhere. Bad things can happen any place at any time, but the odds are overwhelming that nothing bad will happen wherever you are.
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    Rudy Guiliani saved New York:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

    Funny how the party of family values, always likes the savior that cheats on his wife, cross dresses and is a f.. ing Yankee fan.. he is an opportunist, we have been down this road before exhaustively..
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    #24 Jersey

    You realize how stupid you sound don't you ? Well, you probably don't.
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    That's interesting, how this guy focuses on the city I work in, and the city right up the road from me which I have visited numerous times over the years. When I first moved to DC in 1985, within the first year of my arrival there was indeed a murder one night, right next to my building.

    Interestingly I lived for a few months prior to that across the Anacostia River, which if you know this area makes you go "Huh?" Anacostia is Washingtonian for "Harlem".

    And while there are probably plenty of parts of Harlem that doen't comport with the televised and word-of-mouth reputation of Harlem, and while there was a literary movement of great import born in Harlem, you still expect a harder time in Harlem than you do in some trendier area (Upper West Side? Do I have that right?)

    Well, I moved from Anacostia, which was supposed to be the Heart of D.C. Darkness, to a trendier area in NorthWest. (We also delineate liveability by quadrant: Southeast is no good. Northwest is very good.) Like I say, within a couple months, they found a murder victim in the alley next to the building.

    Now, that's just a somewhat disturbing part of life in the cities. Violent crime waxes and wanes. It usually shoots up along with unemployment and poverty, so for the time being, if you're of a mind to be paranoid, I'd be moreso.

    As to the barbarians-at-the-gates underlying premise (or perhaps more accurately barbarians-within-the-gates,) fail. I've lived in cities or close-in suburbs my entire post-college life, and the fantasies spun by those in the exurbs capture only the phenomenon of violent crimes which have always been part of urban life. You never stop having to fight the fight to keep the risk down. You also never stopped having the need for cities, up until now (although I will say that the advent of computer remote networking makes the effective span of a city worldwide, so it is quite possible that cities are on the way out.)

    Once the affluent no longer need population concentrations to peddle goods in brick-and-mortar ways, one can easily envision a ramped-up decentralization, where the hub is less important than the suburbs around it, then becomes only recognizable as the formerly-important middle city out of several in a relatively tight-knit region. The exception will be the industrial city, which of course is already a greatly eviscerated phenomenon. None of them will ever again grow to be a region-dominating behemoth.

    I love watching change unfold; in a way, we're all blessed by this today. We can watch changes that once took hundreds of years happen in decades. Of course, the same applies to things like, oh I dunno, the earth's warming, the collapse of civilization, whatever.

    But then, life gets dull without an element of risk, right? ;)

    PFnV
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    It was tongue in cheek.. oh mighty self righteous one!!!
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    #24 Jersey

    I don't believe you since your only attacks on Gingrich are pretty much exactly the same.
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    Whether you believe it or not, do not give a f..ck get off your mighty high horse and share your moralistic wealth across the board.. try not to be so exclusive to specific posters.
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    #24 Jersey

    This is a funny post considering a while ago you said that spelling in posts is a sign of intelligence or lack thereof. While I disagree, as it's only a message board, with you having said that you should try to sounds little more intelligent here - if you can.
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    Take your suggestions under advisement, oh wait a minute probably will not change.. stay on your moral high horse and keep policing, we need more folks like you.. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: and keep ignoring the obvious shortcomings on the other side. The exclusivity is obvious..
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    You believe liberalism has created this problem? That's awesome. You don't watch the Wire on HBO, do you? It's about Baltimore, in fact.

    Are you going to sit here and suggest it was "liberalism" that initiated the influx of drugs into this country? Or the criminalization of it?
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    this is simply untrue........some of the most impoverished portions of the country aren't as crime-riddled as some of the more well-off places.......

    appalacia, indigenous portions of the southwest are amongst the most impoverished, and the crime in those places is not as bad as in queens, or inner harbor, or south boston or places like compton, CA



    crime is the result of a combination of factors, the biggest of which population density...at least in terms of violent crime.........
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    Take out Gingrich and insert anyone associated with conservatism, republicans, or he just plain does not like :rolleyes:

    And he did it to highjack the thread, knowing someone(me, you, Harry, or someone else) would bite...you bit.

    Best to ignore him when he does this, he is only trying to kill threads :cool:
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    Wise person, who does not know what he is talking about, as usual.. I was responding to the first comment that Guiliani is some type of savior who can magically change cities.. he is none of that. If it was that easy every city would just adopt his formula... if you read the subsequent threads you will some first hand comments that debunk the blog...

    BTW do not mention about people hijacking a thread... you are a classic example.. see post #14.
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    There are cities where it is bad regardless of the economic situation...some strong economic cities still have a crime problem. To me it is tied in with the overall poverty of the city and the people as was noted before.

    I live in one and moved out of one last year...the crimes here are tied in to the youth population and gangs which have no ties to the economy except seeing some rises in demand for drugs during down years but otherwise stay consistently high
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    Crime is related to population density, poverty, education levels, etc. Population density certainly ranks high, but I'm not sure it ranks higher than poverty given that well-to-do sections of cities tend to have low crime. But, statistics don't seem to break down that way. I know where I live, in a "good" part of Cambridge, crime is very rare. (I can think of two break ins in my building, one act of vandalism, and nothing that would constitute assault during the last 15 years.)

    Also,
    Bureau of Justice Statistics Crime Characteristics

    * Six urban residents, four suburban residents and four rural residents per 1,000 were victims of an aggravated assault.

    * Suburban and rural residents were victims of violence other than rape/sexual assault at similar rates during 2005.
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    My hometown is the prime example of everything being talked about: poverty stricken city, largely minority(about 2/3rds by estimate, including illegals), high crime rate, small size(1.7 square miles), strong base of employment but not large enough to sustain the population of 35,000.

    I have seen firsthand crime shoot up in the city, my old neighborhood used to be a decent place but now drugs are being dealt on the corner in open, gangs of kids roam the streets most of the time, police are frequent visitors to the point where the department needed to put on a new overlapping shift just to meet the demands for the lower half of the city where the bulk of the people live.

    And the mention of more affluent neighborhoods holds true here- Prattville and Admirals Hill, the two ritzy neighborhoods, are almost crime ridden except for the occasional vandalism(on state park property usually) and drunken disturbance calls that any city has.
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    Really?

    In the Great Depression the poverty was ten times greater and the crime one third what it is now. These are hard, cold facts.

    Care to explain?

    Such foolish leftist sentiments caused people, such as Norman Mailer, to actually celebrate graffiti in the 1970s, as an artistic expression of the disenfranchised.

    Let me guess, Patters, you have a graduate degree. What you said is a false.

    Did you excuse the LA Riots on similar grounds?

    (Another would be there's no inherent difference between the sexes beyond the obvious genitalia.)
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    Yes, I believe liberalism caused much of the problem.

    No, I don't watch TV. I'm too busy reading books such as Myron Magnet's The Dream and the Nightmare, a terrific read, arguing in the affirmative what I have just said.

    Check it out.
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    Out of curiosity, would you call your claim racialist?

    Violent crime was very high in the 1930s, and comparable to what it is today. Those were very difficult times and there was a lot of poverty. I think you're simply making an assumption about the past from the conservative idea of "Back in the old days when things were simpler and people knew their place blah blah bah...."

    Almost all crime can be explained by a whole combination of factors that have nothing to do with race.
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    Actually, the biggest correlation is race, not any of those others, which are just symptomatic anyway. Low crime in Minnesota, regardless of population density, for instance.

    Sorry to be politically incorrect, but the government's own data says this.

    A report "The Color of Crime" uses this data to make the following seemingly outlandish points:

    * Blacks are just 13 percent of the population but they commit more than half the muggings and murders in the country. Hispanics commit violent crimes at about three times the white rate.

    * The proportion of blacks and Hispanics in an area is the single best indicator of how dangerous it is. The racial mix is a much better predictor of crime rates than poverty, unemployment, and dropout rates combined.

    * Although Jesse Jackson and Bill Cosby wring their hands over black-on-black mayhem, blacks actually commit more violent crime against whites than blacks. A black is about 39 times more likely to do violence to a white than the other way around, and no less than 130 times more likely to rob a white.

    * And yes, everyone's suspicions about rape are correct: Every year there are about 15,000 black-on-white rapes but fewer than 900 white-on-black rapes. There are more than 3,000 gang rapes of whites by blacks—but white-on-black gang rapes are so rare they do not even show up in the statistics.

    Source: VDARE.com: 9/13/05 - Color Of Crime, Sound Of (Big Media) Silence

    Walter Williams, a black economist and syndicated columnist, looked at the report, too, and found it to be legitimate: FrontPage Magazine - What About Hate Crimes By Blacks?

    Jeez, Patters, you're not on a college platform here. There are people here who may not have graduate degrees, and yet who can think for themselves. Doing so, we don't buy into the dubious liberal platitudes you are espousing.
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    As Jesus might say, that's your word, not mine. See posting above. That should get you going.

    Facts can be unruly, insensitive things. Should we be ostrich-like in order not to potentially offend? I know that's what goes on in our colleges and universities.
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    That's a bizarre site you linked to. It's obviously racist so any info it provides has that kind of bias. The fact that you can't see it is unfortunate. There is no crime gene; all crimes are related to other factors. Otherwise you would find yourself in the position of trying to rationalize the crimes of Hitler, Stalin, or King Leopold and their henchmen. Or perhaps you would have difficulty explaining why serial killers are mostly white. To figure out why crime exists, you have to look at the conditions that breed crime.

    All your statistics are misleading, but I suspect if you give them a little thought you will know they are misleading. Given, however, where you are coming from, I think it would be a waste of my time to try to use an intellectual approach to get you to surrender what I think is a primal fear.
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    I am often called "A Racist" because in fact I am "A Realist"
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    Actually, I don't think that's why you're called a racist.
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    Exactly. Harry considers "realism" to be precisely what his RW ideologues tell him is "realism."
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    I know you don't but I do.
    Society tells us to treat other people equally, those of us that truly do treat them equally are called "racist" for doing so, the politically correct slobberers want us to treat them "special" not equal, I talk and treat them exactly as I do everybody else including my own family, they get nothing special from me. I never make them feel uncomfortable by gushing over them, thats cruel and insulting.
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    How's this, Patters?

    Bureau of Justice Statistics Homicide trends in the U.S.: Trends by race

    Your liberalism--smug, self-righteous, arrogant--is so freakin' tiresome. I had to deal with folks like you in my eight years of education beyond high school. I know how you think, how you act, what you look like, the very expression on your face.

    I know you better than you do yourself.
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    Crime is not caused by race. It's caused by poverty, lack of education, unstable family structure, weak police departments, etc. I know where you're coming from, and frankly I think you have a viewpoint is superficial and shallow on this particular issue. The brain is well understood and as yet there is no evidence that links violent tendencies to race, but there is evidence that links nutrition, poverty, population density, and so on.

    What you see as arrogance is merely my utter contempt for a belief that seems to say criminality is racially based. That belief is not only simplistic, it serves no purpose in terms of addressing the causes of crime.

    And, I assure you, you don't know me. You come across as a man of stereotypes, and that limits your ability to know others.

    Lastly, even your link shows that the vast majority of black crime is due to drugs, so one could reasonably hypothesize that there's a relationship between drugs and homicide rather than skin color and homicide.
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