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  1. lightningbolt

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    My top 5 reasons for why the Bolts could win:

    1) Patriots defense gave up 416 passing yards and 2 passing TDs to Chad Henne so imagine what Philip Rivers will do.

    2) Vincent Jackson is playing unlike when the two teams played last season.

    3) Antonio Gates is healthy and playing unlike when the two teams played last season.

    4) Marcus McNeil, our left tackle is playing unlike the last time the two teams played.

    5) Our secondary has improved with the addition of Bob Sanders, if he plays.



    My top 5 reasons for why the Bolts could lose:

    1) Tom Brady is playing insanely good right now. He could potentially put 30+ points on our defense before halftime.

    2) Nate Kaeding, who is the most accurate kicker in NFL regular season history is out for the season due to an injury last week. If the game comes down to a field goal, we're screwed.

    3) Our DE, Luis Castillo was injured last week as well and won't be playing, leaving us exposed to the run and weakening our pass pressure.

    4) Our special teams gave up a touchdown on the opening kickoff last week which leads me to believe we might have the same issues that we had last year with special teams. Poor play on the part of our special teams could cost us the game.

    5) Mike Tolbert, who accounted for all 3 of our touchdowns in week 1, won't be playing due to injury, and he's clearly the best running back on our team at the moment, as Ryan Matthews still hasn't shown he can carry the workload.
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    my reason why the pats will win
    the pats Oline looks good and Tom Brady with time is unstopable

    my reason why san diego could win
    the pats Defense will give up yerds if they can turn that into TD's and not FG they got a shot
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    Lede if Chargers win
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    The Patriots don't lose at home in the regular season. Tom Brady has had all these weapons for enough time to build a great chemistry. For these reasons I believe the Pats are gonna win.

    The Patriots team we watched Monday night is FAR the team they could potentially be. I am excited for the season to unfold.
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    If the Chargers win, it will be because McCourty was outsized and overmatched on Vjax, we couldn't cover Gates, and/or they managed to collapse the pocket on Brady with a fair amount of consistency.

    If the Pats win, it will be because they made the Chargers' offense one-dimensional (all passing), caused a turnover or two, and/or dominated TOP, wearing the Chargers out with a lot of no huddle.

    If the Pats can figure out a way not to get completely murdered by Jackson and Gates, I'm confident that they'll win. I have more confidence in the line's ability to protect Brady right now, especially if Vollmer's back, than I have in some time.
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    Whichever team wins will be because their TEs performed better than the other team's TEs. I really think that will be the difference. Neither team has a fantastic pass rush to seriously disrupt either QB, but the Chargers do have a pretty good WR threat in VJax, to compliment the Pats multi-head monster of Welker-Branch-Slater(?)-Ocho.

    Even despite all that, I see a game that will be low scoring in the early going.

    We'll have to see. The Chargers usually play the Pats tough, but it seems like they always play in San Diego. The Bolts don't have as much success in Foxboro.
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    We have to stop VJax and Gates from making big plays. They have to stop an emerging deadly TE duo and BJGE behind a pretty stout goaline front from scoring, not to mention Welker and Branch and Woodhead from consistently moving the chains, and Brady from running their D ragged with no huddle and up tempo offense, we're at home where we rarely lose, they're spending all day today on a plane...our ST is exponentially better across the board. We know what to expect from your defense, even including Bob Sanders...You haven't ever faced this defense...it's a sea change...

    The only way we lose is if we turn the ball over multiple times or more than one of our WR's/TE's develop an uncharacteristic case of the yips or we lose multiple players on defense to injury early... With the depth we've got at most spots almost anything that happens would have to be in multiples to cause a critical impact.
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    The Chargers win if they turn the game into a slower paced, clock chewing affair. The Patriots defense still does not get off the field when it isn't forcing turnovers. Every third down that they do not defend worth a damn is more time that Brady sits on the bench.

    That Patriots win if it is a shootout. Since Brady can seemingly go no huddle at will these days, the Chargers defense could get gassed if their offense isn't taking enough time off the clock on their drives. Trying to shut down one or two targets just isn't going to work when Brady has so many viable options. I expect the offensive line to play well since Connelly fills in well for Koppen, and Solder is a monster.

    This game is probably a playoff preview but I'm not sure if it is going have much impact on seeding since the ultimate battle is making sure the Jets do not force the Pats into a wildcard position. They should have an easy win on Sunday against the Jags which could be a temporary setback, but it looks like the #2 team in the AFC North is a tougher draw this year than the defending conference champs* and the Jets play that game a week before coming to Gillette. The top seed in the AFC East could be a seesaw until later in the season

    *I honestly cannot wait to see what Brady does to the Steelers defense. He carving them up even before they started looking old.
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    The Pats will win because they have the best TE tandem the NFL has ever seen.

    The Chargers will win because of Patriot turnovers.
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    You know, I just wish there was a game this season that I could reference where the Patriots D held an opponent to 2/14 3rd down conversions.

    That'd make your little rant about 'not getting off the field' look pretty silly.
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    Why the Pats will win:

    1. They will score more than the Bolts.

    The End.
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    Antonio Gates played last year. He Scored a TD. The best offensive player for the Chargers in that game was Darren Sproles. Marcus McNeil had a lot a trouble with Jared Allen last week. Actually the entire offensive line had trouble blocking. IDK if Floyd played last year but he wasn't thrown to.

    This game will come down to pressure. Which defense can get to the QB. I like the Pats lines better.
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    I think San Diego might see a little wrinkle in the Pats offense. I watched ESPN and they were all over the Pats and that 3 man tight end formation, which is geared to the run. Not so, with Brady who managed just over 500 yards with it. At some point, a team will try and defend against it, and BB has options ready. Meanwhile, the D jells. Right now, no one has an answer for the Patriots. Until they do, the Pats win regardless of who they play.
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    Last 10 trips to Foxboro SD has gone 1-9. And, we've heard about that game for 6 years. Charger fans forget about the losses in 07 here. But, cling to that 05 game as if it matters. Past history doesn't always indicate future results. Tom Brady has won 28 consecutive regular season games at home. That's 3 1/2 years. The Pats have won 17 straight at home. Undefeated in 09 and 10. Why would anyone pick the Chargers?
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    Tolbert is playing, he just doesn't know what he's talking about.
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    This game will be a shootout, but i think it favors the patriots because they are at home and i dont think the chargers can get to Brady, Brady will win a shootout against any quarterback except Peyton Manning.
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    What? It's 2011, not 2010. The defense succeeded 86% of the time on 3rd down against the Dolphins in Week 1. This team does get off the field.

    The Chargers lose in a slow-down game. They won't score enough points and will get stoned on 3rd downs if they grind away at 3 or 4 yards per play.

    The Chargers win with perfect special teams play and by forcing Patriot turnovers. Otherwise it's a track meet and the Chargers defense will look like the Dolphins in the second half trying to catch their breath.

    The Chargers need to focus on the rookies and returners and go for strips and turnovers every chance they get. Brady is not going to hand them the ball.
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    I'm gonna go with this. Pats at home with Tom Brady playing out of his mind right now coupled with San Diego's penchant for slow starts.
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    Most of your reasons are SD-centric, but since you bothered to post reasonably, I'll bother to respond with the assumption that you will try and rebut my points


    There are 3 things you haven't considered in this statement.
    a. Henne played much better than you give him credit for. He's not the same guy he was last year. New OC, new confidence.
    b. The Pats D was much better in 3rd down situations and in the red zone. More importantly it was the QB who had the most rushing yds. It will be hard for SD to run the ball
    c. Around 200 of the passing yds came on the first drive when the D would be least prepared and it should be noted that the same D stopped Miami the next 4 drives with just one first down, after they settled down and saw what Miami was doing.l And in the last 2 drives which were essentially garbage time.

    .VJ is very good, but he's not better than Brandon Marshall, and the Pats survived a great day from him.

    Gates is the premier receiving TE in the league, but the Pats have added a lot of size to their secondary and will certainly be targeting Antonio in their defensive game plan. The Pats won't shut him down, but the key is not allowing yac.

    You'd better hope that he plays better than he did just last week.

    A healthy Sanders of his Colts days was a one of the top S's in the league, especially in the run game. However please explain how the 5'8 Sanders is going to Cover the 6'7 Cronk OR the 6'3 Hernandez





    Probably not before half time, but it could happen before the end of the game. lol SD had a good plan for him last season, but that was last season IN SD. This will be in Foxboro, which is a big difference, even with the short week.

    The Pats are better set up to run the ball better. They have more options in the passing game. Holding the Pats offense to under 30 points will be difficult. The Chargers HAVE to be at LEAST plus 2 on TO's

    Its a problem, especially the first week after, but there are just SOOO many guys out there that can kick the ball reasonably well (over 75%) that I doubt it will be the difference in the game.

    I agree, but then a lot of SD fans are claiming that his replacement will be an upgrade. Creating a consistent pass rush WITHOUT blitzing will be a key for SD, as well as shutting down the run game,

    You special teams will see a great improvement over last season. They have to, they couldn't be worse. Well you have THAT going for you...at least lol
    This WOULD be a problem....if it were true. Unfortunately it isn't. The Pats run defense, has been pretty solid throughout the preseason and into the first game. I don't think SD's run offense will be a major factor

    Miscellaneous points:

    Both teams need to be able to rush the QBs with just 4-5 men. The team that does that the best will win.

    More than half of Miami's rushing yds came from QB scrambles and draws. SD may be the only team in the league whose QB comes closest to Tom Brady's lack being a run threat.

    This will one of the better games this week. Two teams that will be in the playoffs regardless of who wins the game. It will be good game to see how each team matches up against another good team. The Pats get the edge because the game is at home.

    The only reason this game has any long term significance is for playoff positioning.
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    Patriots will win because:

    1) They are a better team.
    2) They are playing at home, where they don't lose in the Regular Season
    3) SD generally plays us well ONLY in SD. They blow in NE (1-9 in last 10).
    4) We have 2 Gronkowski's and SD have none.
    5) Because I am a fan of the Patriots, and I REALLY, REALLY want them to win. I mean bad too.
    6) Ocho just sent me a tweet telling me "he finally gets it". :cool:


    Bolts will win because:
    1) They have the best coach in the history of the sport: Norvo "the clown" Turner.
    2) {see above}........... They don't really need another reason, do they?
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    We're either going to blitz or drop, but we're not rushing just 4 men. Rivers eats that for breakfast.

    I think we will send out Gronk at Sanders every opportunity we get, if only to neutralize his run support.

    Our zone coverage on the seams has got to get better, I'm not worried about Gates who we will bracket, but about the other big receivers (Floyd, Jackson) who we will inevitably leave in one on one matchups. We gave up a few big plays in the seams out of the zone coverage in the Miami game (Fasano, et al.)

    We ran very poorly against the Chargers last year. That has to change.

    Our defense has to step up big. When the Chargers have scored 20 points or under, they've never won a game on the road.

    Also the turnover game is going to be huge- whenever we've won that at home, we've won the game (42 of 42). However, when the Chargers win that, they've been 15 of 16 wins on the road.

    I think our game plan is to first and foremost stop the run and just wait for those big plays that we know Norv will call- he will get impatient from time to time and feel the urge to move his team down the field in a big hurry, and sometimes that turns out to be fatal for him.

    Also, their ST has been undependable, up and down performance, and that's an area we need to take advantage of.
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    Why are people acting like one game is a sudden reversal in fortune for the defense? Henne had a good game but the Dolphins offense is not as good as some of the other attacks the Pats D will face this year. I'll give them props when they perform consistently. That requires a bit more under their belt.
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    Well, last week the Pats only blitzed 10 times in 50 drop backs, PP. Rivers is a pro, and much like Brady doeswell in picking up the blitz. He also has a lot of targets that need attention. So I think the Pats will NOT be blitzing that often (about one out of 5 like last week). What WILL be key is disguising the defenses well and make Rivers throw hot reads when the the Pats AREN'T coming.

    I won't be worried about the amount of yds the Pats give up. I'll be looking to see if they can continue pressuring the QB (a combination of 20+ sacks/hits/hurries). Stopping the run. (keeping SD under 100 rushing yds). AND giving up fewer big plays (over 20 yds) than last week. To me that will be a good indication of how the D is progress.
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    Ken, you wrote everything I was thinking about that guy's post and this game. :) San Diego's defense will have to win this game. That's a tall task even for a good defense like the Chargers.
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    What Tony Romo is to "winning time" is what the Chargers (as a team) are to big games with the Patriots.
    We don't know when or how or why…but Classy SD will find a way to lose.
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    The Chargers have a top five pass defense and top five pass offense. That's the perfect formula for beating the Patriots.

    We aren't going to put up 30+ points on these guys. Our defense needs to step up tomorrow.
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    The only way I see the Bolts winning is if they win the turnover battle by at least 2 and or they control the time of possession. If SD doesn't do one of these things and they win, I won't post here until the post season begins.
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    I think these 2 teams are pretty equally matched . I'd give SD an edge on CB's and the pats a definite edge at QB. My biggest worry is TB throwing short into the turf, cuz usually when he starts that way, it continues thru the game.
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