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Starve the Beast: Quincy collects again and again

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  1. Real World

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    Government is out of control. They simply cannot afford to pay for the massive cost of city of services, with all the bloated salaries and benefits their employees recieve. Wait till all these bloated fat cats start collecting from their underfunded pension funds. Whoopie! Simply unsustainable. Starve the beast is becoming more and more a must, every day.


    Quincy collects again and again

    By Michael Graham
    Thursday, August 19, 2010 - Updated 1 day ago

    In Quincy, it’s “you paid for it, but you don’t get it.”

    By a 9-0 margin, the Quincy City Council just passed a “crash tax,” charging taxpayers for some emergency services when they crash their cars on city streets. Need a fire truck to respond to your wreck? That’ll be $500 per hour, please. Heavy rescue equipment? That’s $600/per. A “command vehicle” so an officer can make sure you’ve got full coverage to pay all these fees? $200 an hour.



    Quincy collects again and again - BostonHerald.com


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    We need look no further than this forum to see several examples of people who believe the solution to everything is to raise taxes (especially on the rich). The idea of reducing government waste is just a foreign concept their minds cannot comprehend.
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    It's unreal. Anyone who's had any business sense, or is responsible with their money, knows that you have to control spending first, and foremost. That raising your price, or charging more on your credit card, isn't a good long term solution.
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    What gov't is going to do is give us incentive to earn money "under the table" so they can't tax it. I highly suggest that anyone with the opportunity to do it, do so as often as possible.

    If I got a bill for emergency services from a frikkn' town or city, I guarantee you I would not pay it....not a dime.
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    Got it PR, you recommend tax evasion.
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    Excessive taxation leads to tax aversion, at all levels of society.
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    To make up for taxation without representation...I ABSOLUTELY recommend and will do it.

    As per Kayos' comment, it is exactly what over-taxation will lead to. At least among smart, honest hard-working Americans.
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    #12 Jersey

    Um, how does being "honest" line up with tax evading?

    Wouldn't not reporting your actual income be regarded as "lying by omission?"

    Isn't lying fundementally dishonest?
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    If taxes are viewed as excessive and damaging, reasonable people will find another way to avoid taxes. Which is why, after all the hand wringing over "tax the rich", "tax the rich", it never ever works.
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    #12 Jersey

    LOL Why, because they always find a way to avoid paying them anyhow?

    Besides, how does the fact that a rich person finds a legal loophole to avoid paying his taxes suddenly make it "honest" to lie about your own income?
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    NO, it's not MrsP.

    When you have an entire gov't that lies, cheats and steals, then all becomes fair. When our gov't rep's stop embezzling, stealing and committing all sorts of unethical acts, then maybe we'll consider tax evasion dishonest.

    I kinda knew you wouldn't be able to refrain from commenting on my post...yes, I did!;)
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    Finding those loopholes isn't cheap because moving money and setting up financial vehicles can be expensive. Say the tax rate is lower than <20% and the cost of moving around money is 15%. At that rate, plus the potential legal implications through a loophole, the rich person will probably just pay it. When you raise that rate to 30% plus, now that option looks more attractive as the benefit for tax avoidance likely exceeds any possible penalty.
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    Yeah but, haven't you heard? We're not taxed enough.
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    I feel the same way about that whole 0.08% blood alcohol level thing. If it was more like 0.25% then maybe I'd care and not have 19 Mai Tai's before driving home, mostly on the sidewalk.

    Its the same with date rape, I mean real rape I can understand but date rape? c'mon, If she agrees to go out with you then all bets are off.

    Same with road rage, if the bastard cuts you off, beating the snot out of him isn't aggravated assault with a tire iron, its justice.

    And just because our system says otherwise doesn't mean I have to care since I'm such a reasonable person and all.


    //sarcasm

    On a more serious note. Quincy's gonna try and slip this by the voters. Either they'll succeed or they won't. Y'all really shouldn't use it as an excuse to cheat on your taxes though. The IRS has come a long way in my taxpaying life. They used to be real ball breakers back in the day. Now they're pussycats(I guess all it took was one small plane crashing into an IRS facility) Why bring the ball breakers back? This is exactly what will happen if all of you start doing what us contractors do:D Just because some guy who paints houses out of the back of his '85 Jeep Cherokee gets to write off $9000 in business entertainment at Foxwoods every year doesn't mean everyone else gets to too.
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    Oh, I am sure we are all quite tax-averse.

    That is not the question. Tax evasion, on the other hand, is a crime. You can go to jail for it. That's different from vaguely "feeling" over-taxed (even if you can't do the math to actually know how much you are taxed, as in PR's recent case.)

    PR advocates criminal tax evasion. Got it.
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    You are planning on committing this crime. I think we all understand.

    By the way, I was unaware you live in D.C. Otherwise I am not sure what you might mean by "without representation."

    Mass. has congressmen, senators, electoral votes for the presidency, and all the rest. Is it your belief that you personally are not allowed to vote?

    Or are you thinking ahead to getting convicted of a felony, and therefore losing your right to vote?

    PFnV
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    NOt only am I planning it, I've already done it. So I know how to "get away with it". If our gov't rep's don't vote in policies those that voted them in support, then I consider that "taxation without representation"

    Keeping in mind of course that we actually have a SPENDING problem, not a REVENUE problem.
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    #12 Jersey

    Keep in mind, of course, that you have a legal problem, not a voter's problem.

    You also have a problem with the truth since the last time we had this discussion you denied working under the table and insisted you only said you did in order to "rile me up."

    You are nothing more than another Harry - and just about as inept.
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    Oh, it doesn't take a genius to "get away with" tax evasion. The world is full of morons capable of breaking the law in this way, and not being convicted. It's a numbers game, after all, and enforcement is probably skewed toward the big fishes.

    But what you are arguing is that although you freely admit to committing felonies, and look forward to systematically and with premeditation committing more of them in the future, you believe the representation afforded you is not great enough -- even though our elected representatives, by definition, also must represent all the other people who voted for them.

    Here are a couple of questions:

    1. I am sure there are those who believe very strongly in enforcement of our national laws vis a vis tax cheats. Are they being adequately represented if you are not prosecuted?

    2. Since felons lose their right to vote, and since you admit to the felony, and state that you plan to commit it again, and urge others to do so -- since, in a word, it is only a matter of chance and gaming the system that you still enjoy the right to vote -- are you really the best spokesman to explain how you are not represented "right"?

    3. Is the present moment the first time in history that people voted for a candidate at any level whose views and actions were not a 100% match to their own political agenda?

    4. If you are not different and special, and the present moment is not different and special, and throughout American history we have accepted the practice of accepting leaders whom we elect, with the remedy being either impeachment or the next election -- whence comes the tax cheating "remedy"?

    5. Is it possible that this "remedy" is colored not only by ideological justification such as you have referenced, but also by self-serving incentives?

    I work for a living, myself. Gotta go now.

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