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    What will happen when comes November, they will pay for their lying and for going aginst "The Will Of The People:

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    MORGANTOWN, W.Va. (AP) - A West Virginia congressional seat that's been held by a Democrat for generations is now up for grabs after 14-term incumbent Rep. Alan Mollohan was swept out of office on a wave of voter unrest that an opponent called a referendum on President Barack Obama.
    My Way News - GOP: WV congressman's ouster referendum on Obama
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    So was Bennett's loss in UT also a referendum on Obama?

    This is anti-incumbent sentiment, and we're seeing it everywhere.
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    Yes, your right and it's long overdue.
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    #91 Jersey

    I love the whole will of the "American people" mantra the neo conjobs use. When someone like M McConnell or Dick Army says the "American People" they mean the 20+ percent and their corporate handlers. I've notice that the Left has picked up on it using it to in recent months.
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    Harry!!:eek:

    I saw your "Starting to kick them out" title and thought I'd be reading about illegal aliens being kicked out...I was psyched, for a minute.:mad:
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    Don't worry that will be along pretty soon, most Americans believe what Arizona is doing is right now there is talk of Colorado doing something similar, even McCain is starting to get worried he now knows that all his "bipartisian bullsh!t" and sucking up to the Illegal Aliens will probably end his political career so he's jumping back over the fence, now he wants to put the Army down there to attack the aliens.
    What phony bastards these slimey politicians are.

    IN THE ABSENCE OF LAW AND ORDER SOCIETY WILL SURELY DESTROY ITSELF
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    When Bush was in office, popular opinion was irrelevant to the Republicans, and all that mattered was what our "leaders" felt was best for the nation. Now all that matters to them are poll results.
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    #12 Jersey

    51% is not really "most," Harry. It's the smallest amount you can be and not be evenly divided.

    As for McCain, he's toast no matter who he ends up pandering to. He's a non-issue and no one gives a flying fig what he says he believes today. He lost us at "I've never been a maverick."

    You know how Fonzie "jumped the shark?" Well, McCain has jumped the fence with this one.
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    May 10,2010 PEW poll results:

    Americans Support Arizona Immigration Bill | Intelligence Quarterly
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    Imagine the unheard storys that the US Citizens living in the Border Citys must have to tell about this lawless disgusting invasion, I remember one from a couple of years ago about a women who said she heard a noise in her backyard at 6;30 in the morning when she looked out there were 7 or 8 Aliens with soap taking a bath in her swimming pool.

    Bush
    McCain
    Uncle Teddy
    Most all democrats
    They All Share In The Blame For The Successful Invasion
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    New adversary in U.S. drug war: Contract killers for Mexican cartels - washingtonpost.com
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    Or infringe on their rights:eek:
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    Between the Illegal Aliens, The Tea Party's, Obamacare, The Bail Outs, Pelosi's Closed Door Meetings and the fear of socialism being forced on us I think the people will start to smarten up and take their country back from this "gang" of grinning Dictators.

    A Government For The People And By The People

    Political Correctness And Far Out Liberalism Has Had Much To Do With America Losing It's Way But They Will Come Back, At The Polls.
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    More like their's a frame for every poll.

    The Pew poll cites a specific question, which is actually the basis of AZ law. It informs those who are being polled, of what it specifically is that they are being questioned on. Their reply is based on fact, and specifics.

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    The Gallup poll asks people opinion based in part on heresay ("based on what you know..."). Most of the people who talk critically about the AZ bill on TV, don't even know what the law actually allows. So what people might "know or read", is likely not accurate. To me, the poll that asks the specific question, is by far the more accurate barometer of the publics views. This is why I put little stock in polls most of the time. Specifics are key. Getting dumbed down answers, or asking framed questions, only serves to provide the answer which is desired, as opposed to one that's true.
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    #12 Jersey

    The Pew poll asked several questions - and the article cited here gave a differing percentage than the actual questions indicated.

    Funny how that works, huh?


    Fully 73% say they approve of requiring people to produce documents verifying their legal status if police ask for them. Two-thirds (67%) approve of allowing police to detain anyone who cannot verify their legal status, while 62% approve of allowing police to question people they think may be in the country illegally.

    After being asked about the law’s provisions, 59% say that, considering everything, they approve of Arizona’s new illegal immigration law while 32% disapprove.


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    Broad Approval For New Arizona Immigration Law: Overview - Pew Research Center for the People & the Press
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    I think valid points have been raised, on both sides, re. these polls and the AZ law.

    To me there are three issues here -- two that are relevant to all polls and issues and one that is specific to this situation:
    (i) do the people actually understand the issue at hand?
    (ii) does popular opinion matter for the issue at hand?
    and (iii) (the one that is particularly germane here, imo) when was the poll taken?

    So, (i) if people don't understand what's in the law, or what the wording of the law means, the poll isn't all that insightful. re. (ii), even if a person wants any Hispanic in Arizona to be asked for proof they are citizens, that opinion isn't likely to matter, as the Constitution would override their desire.

    Finally, in this case I think timing is particularly relevant, since, as I understand it, the wording of the bill was changed in order to tighten it up. Personally, I went from thinking it was a bad / unconsitutional bill to thinking there's probably no reasonable grounds on which to oppose it when I learned the language had been changed.
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    #12 Jersey

    I wouldn't worry about it, Harry. At least some of them were once cops themselves.

    While investigators have no evidence to suggest the Barrio Azteca gang includes former military personnel or police they do know that they are working for the Juarez cartel, which includes La Linea, an enforcement element composed in part of former Juarez police officers.

    Oh, and just for the record, and before someone gets all excited about illegal immigrants and the trouble they cause - this street gang you're all so worried about - it's from our side of the border, run by prisoners through our prison system - and they seem to have an unlimited amount of assistance from prison guards, lawyers, social workers and assorted other American citizens.

    When Mexican drug traffickers need someone killed or kidnapped, or drugs distributed in the United States, they increasingly call on American subcontractors - U.S.-based prison gangs that run criminal enterprises from behind bars, sometimes even from solitary confinement.

    Prison gangs have long controlled armies of street toughs on the outside. But in interviews with The Associated Press, authorities say the gangs' activity has expanded beyond street-level drug sales to establish a business alliance with Mexican cartels.

    "They'll do the dirty work that, say, the cartels, they don't want to do" in the United States. "They don't want to get involved," said a former member of Barrio Azteca, a U.S. prison gang tied to Mexico's Juarez cartel.


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