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    Stop with the Brandon Marshall crap. The guy is a cancer and a shady dude all around. He is not Corey Dillon and Randy Moss who had incidences, but many were overblown. Marshall has done some really evil things on and off the field.

    Myra would never let this guy come to the Patriots. He is a habitual woman beater.
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    I don't see where Marshall fits in. A) He will want a lot of money.

    B) Moss, Welker, Marshall as the 3rd WR? Doesn't make sense to me. Pay a guy much less money who is actually a 3rd WR. Someone like a Gaffney.
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    I'm sure Myra would love having someone who's domestic issues have him one "strike" away from a half/whole year suspension added to the team, especially when he's done so well avoiding problems with a member of the Belichick tree out there in Denver.
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    If I had a penny for every time this dude was mentioned around Baltimore, I'd be rolling in Bob Kraft Money.
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    Moss is on the last year of his deal and who knows if Welker will ever be the same coming back from a serious injury. We need a WR for the future.

    I'd take a chance at Marshall but he is going to cost more than a 2nd round pick. Even with his prima donna attitude he's still worth a 1st round pick.
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    If BB wants the guy Id be surprised if McDaniels wouldnt take a 2nd round pick for him. The tricky part is his contract.
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    As I'd said in the other thread, if I'm New England, I would ask Denver about Eddie Royal or ask Miami about Davone Bess.

    Royal might be worth giving up a second round pick in 2010. While Bess could be worth a fourth round pick. Trying to acquire these players make more sense to me given the situation with Welker and the fact that you already have a top wide receiver in Randy Moss. Besides, you risk offending him by targeting Marshall. I say, let Chicago or another team deal with Marshall. Personally, I wouldn't touch either Marshall, Terrell Ownes or trade for Anquan Boldin.
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    Why would Denver give up Royal when they will likely be dealing Marshall not to mention hes their best young receiver and Bess isn't going anywhere unless Miami 2007 edition returns hes clearly working out well for them...
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    In regards to your comment if you look at Bess's salary, he will be available in the near future if Miami doesn't lock him up which would be surprising bearing an injury..
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    umm, devone bess sucks, whats with u guys? one game does not an NFL wr make
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    I think Anquan Boldin will be available as well. This guy is hard-nosed and can work the middle of the field so welker doesn't have to take so many hits. I think the cards want a first and a third so pats could maybe use their first in 2011 (not oakland's) and maybe a fourth since they don't have a third this year.
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    Take it from someone who lives here in Denver. This guy only needs a fresh start. Next year is uncapped. Time for Krafty to spend some of that money he has been making from Patriot place. Pats won't go anywhere next season with that BRUTAL schedule unless they have another playmaker on offense.
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    Mike Wallace, Johnny Knox, Austin Collie, Deon Butler, and more, were all taken in the 3rd, 4th, 5th, rounds.

    Here's an idea: instead of trading draft picks away for old scrubs, or trading them into next season, etc., draft a few of these guys that showed they can run routes and catch the ball in college. Granted, some will be unable to catch on in the Patriots system, but you have much greater degree of success with training a rookie than you do with a veteran who is set in his ways.

    Deion Branch, David Givens, Troy Brown.

    Yes, I know about Chad Jackson and Bethel Johnson, both outstanding physical specimens. Next time, just go after the WRs who actually showed they played the position well in college, even if some lack height and others top end speed.
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    I agree, especially since we have a decent amount of picks in this years draft..but it all depends on our needs going into the draft.
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    Agreed. Next year is uncapped and you never know about Welker suffering a setback. Moss won't be around forever. This guy wasn't a really a problem child on the team with Shanahan but got off to a rocky start with McDaniels. Obviously has had some off field issues but I get the feeling he's learned his lesson. Pay the big money to two guys next year (Moss and Marshall) and then let Moss walk after 2010. You get Marshall essentially taking over the big money that was paid to Moss. That sets you up for 2011 with Marshall, Welker, Tate, Edelman. Two first rounds picks in 2011, so if Tate never works out you can draft one from that great class of WR - Green, Jones, Floyd, Baldwin.

    Marshall is such a physical WR I would absolutely love to add him. He fights through coverage and is just a freak. I love that he plays with a chip on his shoulder and is so hard to tackle in the open field.
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    Marshall was a cancer under Shanahan. And now he is a cancer under McDaniels. I don't know how a change of scenery is going to change his tendencies to hit women. The guy needs to do some jail time.

    As for the schedule next year, who knows how hard it going to be. We all thought that the Titans, Falcons, and Panthers were going to be much tougher teams when we saw the schedule before the season. Predicting how tough a schedule is going in the next season before the current season is even over is an exercise in futility.
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    Ummm..... Marshall was a problem child with Shanahan. I don't think he got suspended last year for awesome team work.

    I think he has learned that when he beats his girlfriend make sure she can't get to the phone until he can sweet talk her not to call the police. According to reports, the police have been called to his house dozens of times for domestic disturbances and several domestic battery incidents.

    The guy is scum. It is only a matter of time before he faces an 8 game or 16 game suspension. He lucked out this summer that he was acquitted of a domestic battery case that seemed pretty clear he was guilty of.

    I wonder how many times he used that chip on his shoulder to beat his girlfriends.
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    BTW, for those of you who think Marshall wasn't a problem under Shanahan, well Shanahan now has final say on a team that has the most money with the owner who is the least afraid to write a check for big name players no matter the cost with potentially no cap. How much you wanna bet that the Redskins don't go anywhere near a trade for Marshall?
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    He was suspended by the league last year, not by Shanahan. He had off the field issues but was not a bad teammate. This year he was a cancer on the team because of the way he acted during training camp. The guy wanted to be paid and was upset with Cutler being dealt, so he was acting like *****.

    The guy can play football. He's an elite talent and if I could trade a 2nd round pick for him, I'd take him in an instant.
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    Shanahan reportedly hated the guy and he was a problem for him too. In fact, if Shanahan wasn't fired, he planned on trading Marshall.

    From ESPN:


    Sources: Former Denver Broncos coach Mike Shanahan planned to jettison Brandon Marshall - ESPN

    Yeah, Shanahan loved the guy.
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    I never said that either of those teams would offer New England these players. I said, if I'd a choice... Then these players are my preference in terms of logic.

    I mean people on here assume if you say this or that, then it's going to happen. It's just a discussion... My own suggestions or ideas if possible.
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    Never said he "loved" the guy, just didn't think he had problems getting along with him. McDaniels obviously did.

    Regardless of what he did with Shanahan or McDaniels, you are saying you wouldn;t give up a 2nd rounder for a talent like Marshall? A guy like Randy Moss has had his fair share of off the field issues and on field issues, yet he is on the Patriots. Was sentenced to 30 days in jail, caught with marijuana, racially altercation in high school which led to Notre Dame losing interest in him. Immature on and off the field. Had numerous problems on the sidelines with coaches and other players, dogged it in Oakland when the team sucked.

    Moss has been a pretty good soldier with us. Obviously he matured at some point down the line. Maybe it's b/c he's playing for a winner again, maybe it's b/c he finally grew up, maybe it's b/c of BB. Regardless, Moss has not been a problem for us at all. If you look at his past the way you are looking at Marshall, he'd be a cancer and a guy you would want no part of. So did you want no part of Moss either? That's worked out pretty well hasn't it?

    I believe Marshall will mature like Randy did. I think Marshall is too great of a talent to pass up for a 2nd round pick. How many 2nd round picks are going to turn out to be better than Marshall? The guy is one of the best WR in the league with Orton as his QB, imagine what he could do with Brady. Moss isn't a young guy anymore, he's not going to be around forever. If we have a shot at Marshall for the right price, I would bring him in ASAP.
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    yeah our WR drafts have not worked as much lately...best was branch . even watson idont consider big success . i saw the replay of the texans gametoday and he made an easy catch look difficult ..
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    Honestly, while we're still paying Moss to stay around, we just need a quality third receiver. Because Marshall will require huge $$ to sign, because he is that talented. Almost 'too' talented for a third, we need to throw money at defense. Not offense. Also I'm not to keen on us shelling out draft picks, for someone who wont benefit us as much as possible because we need to stop focusing on our offense as fans. Lets not forget that although our offense hasn't been potent to the degree of 07' that we're maintaining decent numbers, we need to focus on upgrading our defense, there's young talent out there as proven by the LB's that were rookies this year. Mathews, Cushing, Maloluga(sp). We need dynamic play makers back on defense. And certain ones in this draft are very promising as well as some possible freeagency moves like keeping Bodden around, and getting some other depth back there.
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    I don't want Marshall here under any circusmstances. He is one more girlfrend beatdown from getting suspended indefinitely. And we all know it will happen.

    Stop comparing Marshall to Moss. Two different players. Moss had some attitude issues, but he was never a bad person. Marshall is just a scumbag who has jail time in his future because he believes the women in his life are human punching bags. Do you really think Moss' pot case is the same as the repeated times that Mashall has been in trouble with the law for beating different girlfriends? Seriously?

    Why do people always bring up Moss or Dillon when discussing scum? Marshall is no Moss or Dillon and never will be. Moss had a few incidents in Minnesota and quit on a team where everyone quit. Marshall is a head case on and off the field and destined for prison at some point in his life.
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    Here are the highlights of Marshall's altrications:

    2004 - Assaulted a police officer
    2007 - Was with Darrent Williams when he was shot. It was rumored that the shooting was a retaliation due to an altrication between the shooter and Marshall and his cousin.
    2007 - Arrested for Domestic violence
    2007 - DUI
    2008 - The Rocky Mountain News reported that the police had been called to his house 11 times since 2006 for domestic violence issues although no charges were ever filed
    2008 - Commits misdemeanor battery
    2009 - Arrested for disorderly conduct because of a fight between him and his girlfriend

    Exactly how is this like Moss and his pot charge and an isolated incident in college. Marshall is a violent person who is a ticking timebomb. He could be the next OJ if he doesn't straighten his life out. Why would you want this scum on this team.
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    In his younger years, Dillon was also accused of domestic assault. He also drove around hammered a few times. His jacket is A LOT thicker than Moss'. Dillon turned his life around. You can't say that Marshall is incapable of the same but as of right now it doesn't look good.

    Bengals' Dillon Arrested - CBS News

    The difference here is that Dillon already turned the corner on his personal life before coming to the Pats and was desperate to re-brand himself.

    With regard to Marshall. Great talent. Problem is that he seems a bit troubled and certainly carries great risk when considering that he wants big-time dollars. I'm not worried about the draft pick. I'm worried about giving him big money and hamstringing the team when this guy goes in the tank for insubordination or off-the-field issues.

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    Dillon was a scumbag when he was young, but put his past long behind him before he became a Patriot. Marshall has shown no growth whatsoever. If Marshall three years from shows similiar growth, I would change my decision.

    I am well aware of Dillon's past, but by the time he came to the Patriots it was the past. Also, Dillon was good for one year and was a cancer in the locker room for the next two. Not exactly the guy I would want other than a one or two year deal.
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