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    The inflation problem in Spain, in real prices
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    You Need To Be Watching What's Developing In Spain Right Now


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    Sit-ins planned at parks and squares across Madrid, Rome, Barcelona, Milan and Florence
    Protest in the Med: rallies against cuts and corruption spread | World news | The Guardian


    A Defiant 'Spanish Revolution'
    A Defiant 'Spanish Revolution' - Alan Taylor - In Focus - The Atlantic

    Spain's Icelandic Revolt; Protests Spread to Italy
    Mish's Global Economic Trend Analysis: Spain's Icelandic Revolt; Protests Spread to Italy


     
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    Re: Spain protests spreading across Europe!!!!

    I'm not overly familiar with Spanish politics, but my understanding is that the Spanish government is a lot more authoritarian than your average Euro government; relics from the totalitarian regimes of the 20th century. It'll be interesting to see how everything unfolds. I'm interested in this situation because I can see the US heading down a similar road within the next 20 years; systemic under- and unemployment in a supposedly healthy (or "improving") economy.

    Thanks for the post.
     
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    The Euro was the worst thing these poorer European countries ever could have involved themselves in. Inflation since the Euro in Italy has been alarming. My family and friends have been saying it for years. I'm sure in countries like Spain, Portugal, Greece, etc. it's no different, if not worse.
     
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    I hear the same thing from many people I talk to in the "lesser" countries of the Eurozone. I thought this pic was appropriate.

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    Lars Korvald is taking a moment from his shuffleboard game in heaven to smile right now.
     
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    That picture sums it up pretty good. I'll be somewhere near the bottom of that **** pile when i go visit friends and family over there this summer.
     
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    This is what the protests are about, highlights taken from the youth movement website:



    http://madrid.tomalaplaza.net/2011/05/20/propuestas-20-mayo/


    Google Translate

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13481592
     
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    So it is a leftist movement (in the traditional, not American, sense) against another leftist movement ( the EU itself) because people are finally fighting against what they knew all along and have rejected every time they've been allowed to vote for it.

    good for them.

    It would be nice for them to actually change something.
     
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    The reality is that citizens of Spain can't blame their gov't for job losses and layoffs. Neither can they demand that companies NOT lay people off...so, to me, their efforts are futile and mis-directed.

    It is not the job of Spain's gov't to provide jobs to it's citizens...duh!!
     
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    Nope, but at point does the government need to step in and protect the citizenry from the corporate elite? There has to be a line somewhere, right? Or do we wait until the people feel they need to turn to violence? In that event, will they view the government as complicit due to their silence?

    I very much lean libertarian, but at some point, we've got to confront the realities around us. Maintaining a civil society requires balance, and we're watching the scales tip all over the Western World.
     
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    Why do we care about Spain?
     
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    The Euro is doomed. It's looking more and more like Greece is going to either be tossed from the currency, or allowed to leave. When the Euro crashes, lord only knows what it will mean globally. I'm sure financial markets will be in turnmoil for a short while at least. These people in these countries are rioting when they only have themselves to blame.
     
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    #18 Jersey

    I agree, but that still brings us back to the point that no gov't can tell a corp. to hire "X" number of people or that they can't lay off a given number of people.

    So where would that leave any society?
     
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    It's a conundrum to be sure. I'm not in favor of the unsustainable Nasserist model, but there has to be a happy medium in there somewhere.
     
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    To think that five years ago, there was talk of replacing the dollar with the Euro as the international currency of trade (especially with regard to oil).
     
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    OK. I'll bite.


    Why?
     
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    The people are always to blame, they do the hiring.

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    Because they allowed their elected governments to move to a centralized currency that was higher in value than their own, but beholden to the higher cost of living in their EU partner countries. When you instantly are required to trade $2 from your pocket, for a $1 from mine, for the rest of your life, what do you think the effects will be? These people are acustomed to a socialist entitlement structure. One where in Greece the retirement age pre collapse was 50 or 52 I think (very young is the point), and 1 out of every 5 workers worked for the government. For these countries moving to the Euro was a mistake. They can no longer play with their currency to adjust debt. No European country an individually print Euro's. It's why the EU and the Euro are doomed. How long will Germans agree to pay Greeks to stay home and enjoy retirement in their 50's? Not long at all.
     
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    #75 Jersey

    Well, Spain and Luxembourg were the only countries that approved the EU constitution by popular vote of those that held a referendum, so you have a point. It probably didn't matter as their betters planned to push forward anyway:


    Keep up the pressure for a No vote, Left warned - Telegraph
     

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