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    Source: Secrets Inside Cutler Trade Talks - KDVR FOX 31 Blog post

    Source: Secrets Inside Cutler Trade Talks
    Several weeks ago, I called one of my NFL sources for information regarding the free agent market. I received what I expected, and something I didn't: a heads up about a "possible three-way trade in the near future."

    I figured my source was talking about a deal outside of Denver; because clearly if they were holding a secret about a grain of salt in the Rocky Mountains my source would have spilled the beans even about that right then and there right?

    Nope.

    Never in my wildest dreams did I think that vague tip weeks ago was about Denver Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler, head coach Josh McDaniels, and the "Real World" episode airing about them daily on a television set now near you.

    Unfortunately, the dots were finally connected for me in our conversation just (yes just) yesterday afternoon.

    "Sorry, I'm so sorry Josina. I couldn't tell you at the time. [The secret trade talks] were too high up then. But, when I knew it was about to get out I tried to call you. Unfortunately I didn't have the phone with your number in it right then and there," my source explained pitifully.

    Smile.

    Clearly my source forgot about this radical invention called 411. You dial it on the phone nearest to you, and ask the operator to connect you to KDVR FOX 31 in Denver.

    Lol.

    After I finished yanking their chain for a good ten minutes over the phone, my source relented and revealed some rather interesting details about the now infamous Cutler trade that didn't materialize, and, their primary insight about Denver's A-list key players.

    The first thing the source wanted to emphasize without hesitation was the fact that McDaniels definitely had his hand in the cookie jar.

    Even though McDaniels characterized the Cutler trade talks as just “conversations,” in a recent interview with the NFL Network, and said that, “there wasn’t anything that we were trying to push hard to get through,” my source begged to differ in unbridled amusement.

    "[Denver] was definitely negotiating. They were trying to get a trade in place and there is no doubt about that," said the league source.

    “From Minnesota to Detroit to Tampa, although they got in the game late, Denver was trying to get something in place.”

    As for why McDaniels was so hard pressed to roll Cutler out on the next Rocky Mountain train to “Anywhere but Here-land” my source (with primary knowledge of these conversations) said there were consistent themes in the coach’s concerns about Cutler.

    The source expanded their perspective of McDaniels’ concerns of Cutler learning and working in the Broncos’ new offensive scheme.

    “This is a very complex situation. You have to be so smart to play his [McDaniels’] offense. [Tom] Brady and [Matt] Cassel are exceedingly smart quarterbacks. They are not the best athletes in the world but they both make really intelligent decisions. Cutler has a canon for an arm, but he doesn’t manage the game like those guys in critical situations. Brady and Cassel are workaholics. They have the stature, and they have the ability,” said the source.

    Well everyone can argue about who they feel is the better quarterback between Cutler and Cassel now.

    But at the end of the day, when it comes to the root of all of this drama in Denver, the source told FOX31 to point at New England and Kansas City.

    “[Bill] Belichick had first round offers and then some for Cassel. Believe me, a lot of people knew that was on the table. But look at what Matt ended up going to Kansas City for nothing. (Matt Cassel and linebacker Mike Vrabel went to the Chiefs in exchange for a 2009 second round draft pick.) Trust me Bill wanted to pull the trigger on this one sooner rather than later. Then [Scott] Pioli [the Chiefs new General Manager and former Patriots personnel executive] was scared [edit]-less that he wasn’t going to end up with Cassel for a moment there because before he left [New England] Scott was [edit] sure he was going to get Matt-that’s why I feel he took the job in Kansas City. I am convinced it was [Belichick’s and Pioli’s master plan for [Pioli] to get Cassel all along when you watch how this played out.”

    As for why Belichick ended up giving the Chiefs and Pioli such a sweetheart deal, the source opined some more.

    “At the time all of this was going down, there’s was a part of me that felt like Belichick really wanted to take credit for Cassel. You see, I think if Matt goes to Kansas City, there is a chance he won’t be as good in the Chiefs’ system. Obviously if Cassel ended up in Denver, McDaniels can take more ownership of Matt’s success.”

    But the league source told FOX31 sports that in his opinion Belichick took a lesser deal for Cassel in part to disassociate McDaniels’ work in Cassel’s accomplishments.

    “I think Bill wants people to know that Brady and Cassel are successes because of his system. You see every other coach that left the Patriots has basically fallen flat on their face.”

    As for who McDaniels will scout to replace Cutler if the Pro Bowl quarterback leaves?

    “It will definitely have to be somebody who is smart enough to understand the intricacies of his system.”

    And if Cutler is smart enough, he’ll make sure he convinces McDaniels he’s the guy not just physically but mentally as well.

    “McDaniels has all the leverage he needs because Cutler is under contract, period. If Cutler tries to force his way out of there, plays for another team and performs poorly after all of this drama, his value will tank tremendously. Hopefully he decides to go back, but right now he is looking like an [edit].”
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    Total BS in my view
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    Agreed, in total............ Except the part that Cutler is a total dolt that is "too fukcing stupid" to play in a system that requires intelligence. I totally buy that. :D
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    The first half of the article seems very plausible. But the second half of that column is pure speculation. How would anyone, including this "source" know what BB was thinking? It seems to be pandering to how football fans around the country want to view Belichick, as the evil, diabolical, egotistical villian from a cartoon. Since when does BB care about how he is perceived? Yet the premise is that the trade was made with that as the primary concern (Cassel or McDaniels succeeding), even at the expense of his own team's success? Or that McDaniels succeeding hurts his leagacy, but Pioli succeeding does not?

    Sorry, but no, I don't buy it for a second. I don't doubt that Denver was working on a three-way deal, but there's no way there was an deal on the table that included "a first round (draft pick) and then some" but Belichick took KC's offer instead.
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    No way Belichick gave a discount to Pioli. More flat out made up garbage by the media.

    As BB as said in the past week several times now, he really wanted to unload the cap space so he could play in free agency.
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    Why do so many sports writers have agendas? What a douche.
    :nono:
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    Belichick has never seemed ego driven like this. I seriously doubt he would make a business decision on where to send Cassel based on his ego. Besides, if McDaniels gets Cutler to play at an All Pro level and not just against crappy defenses like the AFC West, Jets, etc. and Cassel faulters in KC, McDaniels will get far more credit for Cassel's success thanif he went to Denver and continued to build on his success from last year. What next? Belichick trading away Brady to show he is a product of Belichick's system.
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    Please. It took months for that stupid thread to die.
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    As for Cutler being too dumb for McDaniels' offense, I do agree with that one. The knock on Cutler is his lack of preparation and ability to read defenses. We have seen plenty of WRs fail miserably in the Patriots' offense because of their inability to know their routes based on presnap reads (Chad Jackson, Donald Hayes, Doug Gabriel). How screwed up could the offense get if the QB doesn't get the presnap reads right? Pretty bad.

    You can probably knock McDaniels on how he has handled some aspects of the situation, but I don't know if trying to get rid of Cutler for Cassel was the wrong move for him. I don't think Cutler is the right QB for the system.
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    The whole Cutler thing is interesting. The punturds on NFLN are rather "interesting":

    They seem confused that McDaniels conned the owner into the "nobody is greater than the organization" concept.

    They can't seem to grasp the possibility that McDaniels, by his body of work, might have greater insight into QB evaluation than the punturds.

    Yesterday they seemed confused that McDaniels was laughing and mentioned that Culter needs to mature and not have his ego stroked.

    Dukes somehow thinks Culters 17-20 body of work is somehow infinately greater than Cassel's 11-5 body of work. He thinks "there is no comparison"
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    Sorry. Besides, the stupid trade the person you don't want me to mention thread would be replaced by another stupid or the reappearance of an old stupid thread (Adam Seward anyone?).
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    well cutler is a retard, that much is true

    i'd want to trade a stupid, unhealthy qb too probably, to bring in someone i can hand pick, especially if i felt the current qb was a moron
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    Yeah funny how a nameless source and the false stories somehow carry the same weight as Belichick who has publicly said this past week the 2nd rounder was his best and only offer, and that he wanted to make a move fast so he could play in free agency.
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    Florio had a piece up on this article yesterday. Sounds a lot like that female anchor down in Florida who had the goods on the Randy Moss incident... Someone who wants their bosses or prospective bosses to think they're a hot shot investigative reporter with sources, snitches and insider access those with triple her resume don't offer...

    The report initially included the little nugget that what really scared the **** out of Josh was discovering Cutler had a drinking problem. That got edited out shortly after the piece was first posted... I guess smearing Cutler was a bit too much for Fox execs sensibilities, while painting BB as an egomaniacal jerk and McDaniels as a liar was fair game.

    Reporters should treat their most effusive sources with the same skepticism this message board treats a certain so called message board insider...
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    To be somewhat fair to Cutler, it's not that Cutler has a drinking problem per se, it's that excessive drinking—even in a person who doesn't have a "drinking problem"—can be extremely dangerous in a person who, like Cutler, has type 1 diabetes.
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    If McDaniels is so scared of Jay Cutler not being smart enough, why would McDaniels take the job? Sounds like BS to me.
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    I can think of one of two things that might make this true:

    1.) He didn't realize how dumb Cutler was until he actually got a chance to talk to him or get to watch extensive game film on him (it wasn't like McDaniels had a month or even a couple of weeks to decide to take the job).

    2.) McDaniels was either promised or thought that he could replace Cutler if he wanted to. And possibly he felt he would have been able to wrangle Cassel from the Pats.

    But you could be right that the story is just BS.
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    Here's Cutler at his smartest...
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