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  1. PatriotNMP43

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    Why are solid veterans like John Lynch, Rosie Colvin, Junior Seau(and Ty Law before the Jets got him) to name a few not being called in to help a hurting defense?

    This Patriots team is getting pretty good offensively with the emergence of Matt Cassel, why not make the D as good as it can be and try to win another ring?

    It seems like BB is scrapping the season, playing with what he has, assessing his rookies in big games and playing for next year. Sure this will make them a better team NEXT YEAR but why not see how far we can go THIS YEAR?

    Anyone else feel this year is worth a try?

    Please don't tell me the DB's we got left are better than Lynch and Law.
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    I have a feeling you answered your own question. Sucession planning.
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    Isn't it obvious? Belichick has lost his edge and isn't interested in bringing in players who can help this team.

    :rolleyes:

    Weren't we all saying the same thing about why he wasn't bringing in a veteran backup QB even after Brady went down hurt?
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    I will say that Lynch and Law are yesterday's children. Neither is worth much...
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    If you can't handle the truth, don't ask for answers.
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    quick rebuilding year perhaps?

    and what box o rocks said
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    Oh yeah opposing offenses cringe seeing guys like Mike Richardson and James Sanders. They are way better players than Law and Lynch.
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    Kraft has him held down to the 29th highest payroll in the league...rebuilding year/bulding Patriots Place year? LOL:D
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    I know, the way Law shut down Jabar Gaffney in single coverage was awe inspiring, I haven't seen play like that since Mike Richardson filled in for O'Neal. We also know BB cut James Sanders for the final cutdown and kept John Lynch - oops, my bad, though I'm stunned with it being week 12 and no one has signed Lynch. :rolleyes:
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    I think this season smelled like rebuilding as soon as Brady went down. The injuries to Seymour and Thomas and the "vacation" for Maroney are further evidence.

    I have no doubt Bill is working the guys he has toward a championship, but I don't think he's going to call a season with a probable winning record under these circumstances while being able to diagnose the whole team, particularly the D to a tee for the upcoming FA and draft.

    Winning the AFC or even more would be a testament to coaching, but he's simply not willing to try it through borrowed band-aids with such a glowing opportunity to excel with a serious work in progress and no TB.

    I also doubt he'd be wrecked over a solid season and a longer than usual break. Of course he's not thinking that way, but maybe a longer pause will make for an amazing year next year.

    Of course, the Pats could steamroll the Fish and stomp the rest of the schedule like the Cloverfield monster on the way to the most unlikely SB win of Bill's career. And then a number of us will be nibbling crow in the quietest places in our hearts...
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    My guess would be old, injured, or both.

    Ty Law has a prorated minimum contract to grab receivers jerseys for the Jets, that should tell you something.

    Our problem is not a lack of experience at these positions IMO.
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    Yes, let's make our defense as good as we can by adding guys no one else wants, save for Ty Law - at the veteran minimum.
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    It's not enough for the Patriots (or any team) to want to add these players. The players also have to want to come to New England and agree to the contract terms and role that the Patriots are offering. If a Lynch or Colvin can't find a deal to their liking, maybe they decide to stay home.

    Out of curiosity, who was the last mid-season, veteran addition who made a difference on a playoff team?
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    Lynch is done. Colvin couldn't make it in Houston, so he's either done or needs more time to heal. Law didn't seem to want to play for the Patriots. Seau is an ILB, a position that's being filled by Bruschi and the two rookies. I wanted to see Seau come back, but I can understand the logic behind deciding to ride the rookies.
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    My nomination for the most depressing (and defeatist) post of the year.
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    I really think we are a top end pass rusher away from being a great D. we can get by with our secondary. our DL is great against the run. if we could apply pressure from the outside, with Thomas and another, thatd be great. maybe woods crable or something we already have can be that
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    I find it hilarious that one group of Patriots fans complain about not drafting youth and always relying on free agency, and the other thinks the team should bring in as many 35+ year old vets who no one else has signed as possible.
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    I can't see the words "Belichick" and "rebuilding" in the same sentence.
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    Not me, it's Belichick that is saying that, now isn't he? He probably really believes that the team is better off without them, but then Belichick doesn't have the advantages that you do for personnel evaluation, such as playing Madden and listening to Felger and Gresh on the radio.
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    :ditto::ditto:

    Remember the argument when Brady went down, that we needed to bring in an experienced, aka over the hill inneffective qb that no one wanted.. enough said...

    I suspect that Colvin is injured, Lynch is now retired( if he was so good why didn't anyone else bite), Law is in NY for some unknown reason.. and Seau may not want to do it again..
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    Lynch retired a few weeks ago...
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    it was always unlikely that we would make a deep playoff push, this was a developmental year.

    This season will enable our dynasty to kick on for perhaps another 5-8 years, with key performance evaluations, the opportunity to play with players who are still performing at a high level so they can adjust quicker and gain confidence from the players around them.

    Bringing in 35 year olds to take reps off our youngesters will prevent them opportunities to perform without getting the hook and a better chance to develop.

    I was as hopeful as anyone else that this would turn out to be a miracle season, maybe it will.
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    :rofl:

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    Well Lynch officially retired in Tampa last week......so he must have realized that his skills just weren't "enough" to compete anymore.......and I think that Colvin's injuries have gotten the best of him unfortuneatly.....not sure about Seau....but obviously if BB thought he could help the team,......he would be here......He played great last year....not sure what he has left in the tank......Law wanted guaranteed playing time....from all reports BB was not going to commit to anything......
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    OK - now you guys CAN'T tell me that all of our DBs are better than Tyrone Poole. I mean the guy was just out there, available to us all season!

    What's up with Belichick taking a pass on him????? ;)
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    Ever heard of the addage, "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me"?
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    Pardon me; minor edit.
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    There is a very simple reason, those players are too old and cant play any more.
    John Lynch was in our camp and was CUT.
    Why do you inject mystery into a guy not being good enough to be on the team?
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    My wildass guess is, it's the coaching staff that knows why.
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    I'm going to disagree that the players you mentioned are "solid" veterans.

    Take away that premise and you have your answer.
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