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  1. Deus Irae

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    S James Sanders -- 45 of 45
    S Patrick Chung -- 44 of 45
    S Jarrad Page -- 29 of 45
    S Brandon Meriweather -- 14 of 45
    CB Darius Butler -- 30 of 45
    DL Vince Wilfork -- 43 of 45
    DL Ron Brace -- 25 of 45

    Defensive snaps: Meriweather slips - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston

    It looks like the staff was a lot more worried about the running game than about Cutler and the passing game.

    Also, good to see that Butler was in for 30 snaps and held up.
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    45 defense snaps is pretty good too. Good 3rd down play and the turnovers helped with that. Wilfork has shown that he can be a 3 down lineman as well. Sanders quietly has had a very very good season.
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    Did Merri drop on the depth chart? Says he was only in the dime package and Page was in nickel.
    Don't remember it being like that before this week
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    It looked like the Pats played a lot of single-high Cover 1 Man against the Bears with Sanders in the box, so it must have been Pat Chung back there at free safety.

    Either Meriweather has fallen down the depth chart, or they moved him to a reserve role at CB/S since they were short on CBs. I think he spent most of his day working in the slot.
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    I don't think Merriweather is long for this time.
    Hope he steps up and proves me wrong.
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    Be careful, I got killed for stating the same thing a while back. lol!

    Seriously though, Brandon isn't really a run support guy, and in that weather, his snaps were probably limited to obvious passing downs only.
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    Anyone actually surprised? In recent weeks before the game, the Bears' offense has shown signs of marked improvement because of the legs of Forte not the arm of Cutler. Of course the Pats were going to stop the run and force Cutler to throw because they knew if they asked Cutler to win the game, he would make mistakes.

    As for Meriweather, I wouldn't read too much into his playing time for this week. It is clear they had their best run defenders on the field for most of the time. If we see a continuing trend, then we can read into it. The Patriots are about gearing their team to the opposition. They would sit Wilfork, Mayo, and McCourty if they thought that other players for a particular game gave them a better chance of winning.
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    BM snaps were a function of the D game plan, more running + bad weather + missing CB (after McCourty departure) = more Page and less BM
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    Pats fans were overeager to crown Meriweather the next Polamalou/non-injured Bob Sanders. He's better than average but he's not a dominant force. Chung and James Sanders are outplaying him.

    Sanders, especially, is a leader who lacks Meriweather's physical talents but is a much more football-savvy player IMO.
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    I love Meriweather, he has yet to lose us a game and has set the tone in many. He also has a knack for truck sticking TEs. (Heap, Shockey)
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    Seems like Sanders has overtaken Meriweather, at least this week. I think Sanders is playing his best ball ever. He's made a major jump this year.
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    I think they like to utilize Meriweather in passing downs and in situations where they need a presence in the deep center of the defense. I think this is where the Patriots feel he is at his best and possibly a liability in other situations.
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    I dont think Meriweather has fallen down the depth chart, he was in for almost every snap vs the Jets if I remember correctly but I could be wrong. BB is all about match ups and hes going to put in the best player for the job depending on opposing offenses and players.
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    Moore 21
    Cunningham 24
    Banta-Cain 28
    Ninkovich 12
    Brace 25

    I guess it doesn't take all those months to learn our defense after all.
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    Add to this the fact that the Bears' passing attack was hindered by that wind.
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    Based on the conditions, etc... I wouldn't spend much energy trying to derive meaning from snaps played. This Sunday at home against the pack will have more meaning in overall perspective.
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    The Jets game stats show you're spot on in your comments. BB is situational week to week plus during the game.
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    Not sure about that. I saw Chung playing quite a bit of nickel corner.
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    Yeah who knows what will see Sunday vs GB, but Id bet Meriweather's snap count is going to go up significantly.
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    I agree, all depends on the matchups each week. Players know this as well.
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    I'd expect to see a bit more of Meriweather this week too. Reason being is that he's better in coverage than Page is and the Packers are a pass-first team - even without Rodgers. I would also expect to see Chung in the slot a good amount depending on McCourty's playing situation.
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    Yes, it will be interesting to see what they do to replace McCourty of he is unable to go. I think it will be a combination of a few things, I dont think it will be as simple as just throwing Butler out there every play. I can see like you said Chung playing in the slot, which would give Meriweather more plays as well.
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    yeah, i said something similar as believe his contract is up at the end of next year and be interesting to see what sort of money he wants. If he wants pro-bowl type money I think we trade him or let him go and look to draft a replacement
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    This conversation is interesting as it speaks to the depth and quality of this team, not real confident that too many teams can differ this many defensive looks and play to the strengths of the individual player....

    What has impressed throughout the year, is the number of combinations that BB has used to make this team better... along with integrating a whole bunch of new guys...
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    also

    CB Kyle Arrington -- 44 of 45

    shows how much he's improved week on week, he's been excellent the last 2 games
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    I am actually amazing at how good he's been playing lately. I never thought he would even be a good number 2 corner but he's proving me wrong.
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    He has been playing almost every play ever since he took over for Butler. He is playing very well.
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    I assume they wanted sure tacklers to prevent big plays on the ground, and due to the weather they knew the long ball wasn't an option.

    Haven't the Pats allowed the fewest plays of 40+ yards in the NFL? If their deep safety (Meriweather) was really as bad/average as his detractors claim, perhaps they're just lucky?

    I don't really understand why the Patriots, having spent a 1st round pick to select him, would let a good player go just so they could expend more draft pick(s) to acquire a replacement. Doesn't make much sense.
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    I agree that I think Meriweather has played great, and in this case its not so much what happens when he's in the game, as what DOESN'T happen.

    Reiss had a stat in his espn blog earlier this week, just like you said - the pats have allowed one pass over 40 yards all year.

    Sanders has been playing out of his mind recently, and Chung is a great run-stopper for the safety position, but Meriweather's contributions are just as important - His ability to prevent big plays helps make our bend-don't-break defense work - it forces offenses to go for intermediate/short passes instead of long bombs for TDs.


    I also agree with what somebody else in this thread says - I think BB will keep Meriweather at the right price, but again its not clear what that price will be.

    If Meriweather wants to be the highest paid safety in the game, he's probably gone and we'll either trade him or let him walk after this year.

    However, if he's willing to accept a fair deal, I could see us re-signing him - he sort of strikes me as a Ty Warren kind of a guy for our defense as he's not a fan favorite, and other guys on our D get hyped way more than him nationally, but he's a key cog and helps make BB's D run the way its supposed to.
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    In what might be a major snowstorm? :eek: Perhaps not. :)
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