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Socialized Medicine: I thought it was free?

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    Here's a truly eye opening article about socialized medicine in England. It seems people end up having to pay for their medicines & treatments, since the government won't. Some patients even have to sell their homes in order to get drugs for cancer treatment. Others pay for their own MRI's (I told you all what an English doctor said to my bro and his US dr. about England and MRI's) because the wait is too long to get one when they need it. This is a really scary read, but nothing I didn't know already in my experinces with Italy's government run health care.

    Paying Patients Test British Health Care System


    Britain’s National Health Service would not let Debbie Hirst, who has breast cancer, pay privately for extra cancer drugs that she needed without paying privately for all of her treatment.

    By SARAH LYALL
    Published: February 21, 2008

    LONDON — Created 60 years ago...


    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/21/w...ef=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
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    I always laugh when I hear people say they're going to vote for Obama because they want "free" healthcare. We're so ignorant in this country it's laughable.
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    I've been to Italy about 30 times in my life. Half my family lives there, and I've got childhood friends there, just like I've got here. Trust me when I tell you all that you don't want socialized medicine. The hospitals kill more people than they cure.
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    #80 Jersey

    "Freedom ain't free.....it costs folks like you and me........Oooohhhhhh-ohhhhh-ohhh... BUCK-O-five!"


    I agree that peeps distort "free" healthcare with universal coverage. But then again, almost every issue comes down to a distortion of the facts by those who profit or benefit from each side. I'd like to pay more out of my check so that others could get healthcare, especially children. But that doesn't mean that everyone agrees with me. Listen, we all pay social security, it has become an accepted expense. Soon healthcare will find a balance, its just the right thing to do, in my opinion.
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    The Only Reason The Left Wing Democrats Want Socialized Medicine Is Because Freedom Loving Right Wing Neo Cons Don't Want It.

    The bastards want to get right into your home and run every aspect of your life.

    Never forget the title of Pant Suit Hillary's Book "IT TAKES A VILLAGE"
    F-ck You And Your Village Hillary and F-ck you too Obooma, this is America, we are still free to choose and speak our minds and I will choose my own Doctor for myself and my family. I don't want one of your government back room meat cutters treating my family.

    The poor already have Medicade and they now get better health care than I do.


    Hillarys Hospital Over There>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>:bricks:
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    #24 Jersey

    As I posted on a thread a while ago -

    My mom has ovarian cancer. They just put her on some new drug, I forget the name. Well one of our relatives in England is a cancer specialist. She told him what they'd put her on and he told her it's a real good drug but they can't get it over there because it's too expensive.

    Argue however you want about "it's the right thing to do" (which I disagree with) but it's pretty much not arguable that health coverage will go down unless, as RW's point is, you pay a lot more for the good stuff.

    Re-reading, btw, I think Avastin is the drug my mom is now on; funny coincidence :D
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    I don't think it's wrong to want everyone to have access to healthcare. I just don't want the government taking it over, or getting involved as it doesi n other countries, cuz I've seen first hand what it would mean. The hospital system in Italy killed my aunt. She lived here for 30 years without issue, as a diabetic, and died after the hospital system F'd up her care, a couple of years after she moved back there. My grandma had to buy all types of medicines because the "free" coverage didn't give her any of the medicines she needed. When she came here for care (my grams was a US citizen), she never felt better. Of course, she went back after 2 years, and she never felt worse. Something needs to be done because coverage is getting ridiculously expensive, but government control is not the answer.
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    #80 Jersey

    agreed....

    but as it stands now, an INSURANCE company decides what kind of coverage you get. That makes no sense either.

    to quote Axl Rose "Where do we go now?"
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    Government-run healthcare, in a country this size and economic type, would be a logistical nightmare. Something should be done, and i don't have a problem giving a portion of my check to the Feds for things like roads, military, and healthcare/welfare for those who truly need it. They just take too much now given what they do with it, and healthcare will give them an excuse to make more, without having to look at their already horrendous spending habits.
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    Go out on a busy street in America, fall down and FAKE a Heart Attack you will be transported in the Finest Best Equipted Ambulance available anywhere in the world, you will be treated by the BEST medical emergency people in the world, when you arrive at the hospital you will have the best physical examination you have ever had in your life, when it is all over and they tell you there is nothing wrong with you, tell them you have no insurance and you aren't working, then you can go home, you live in the greatest country in the world.

    If you want the best physical examination that is offered anywhere on this planet for free then I suggest after you read this put your coat on, go to the supermarket then go to the produce dept, make sure there are some other people around then grab your chest, fall down and start gasping and yelling, you will soon be on your way to your "Free Physical" one just as good as the President gets.

    God Bless The United States Of America.

    Up Yours Hillary
    Up Yours Obooma
    Shove Your Health Care Sh!t Up Your Socialist A$ses You Communist Bastards

    :bricks:
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    A doctor decides it. You decide what you want your policy to cover, and a doctor decides what care you should recieve. In this country you're better off being one of two things. Poor and/or illegal, or real rich. If you're enywhere in between, you're paying through the nose. FOR EVERYTHING!
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    It is worth noting that the life expectancy in France, Italy, Spain, and many other countries with national health care is longer than the life expectancy in the US. In fact, the US ranks 29th.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

    One good thing that comes with socialized medicine is that the government has a greater interest in enacting policies (such as education and food standards) that protect the public health.
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    Translation: The government gets to tell you how to live your life.

    I thought you moonbats supported personal freedoms...? Oh wait, I forgot... that's all a load of sh*t... fact is you want the government to be able to control every aspect of a person's life.
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    #80 Jersey

    ELIMINATE THE MIDDLE MAN!!!!!!

    I like it!

    we'd need to protect docors from lawsuits as well. BUt I'm all for that.
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    We're still allowed to smoke and drink here (as in Europe), but the government invests more in educating the public about the dangers and developing a tax policy that discourages abuse.
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    Are you implying that it's socialized medicine that keeps people alive longer than private medicine? If so, you're out of your mind. Everyone in Italy who can, goes to private hospitals when they are seriously sick. Life expectency has a alot more factors than health care. We're the fattest country in the world. We murder more people than those countries. Life is more demanding in this country compared to that of the people in Europe. How long you live is not indicitive of the quality of care a person recieves in their country. I can tell you that first hand.
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    I am not quite so sure our laws here on smoking and drinking are the same "as in Europe".
    Translation... you want the government to control peoples' behaviors. Typical liberal... doing everything you can to stifle individual freedom.

    I have an idea... How about we outlaw male homosexuality..? That is a ridiculously unhealthy activity, wouldn't you agree..? We can save millions (billions?) of dollars on health care costs if we just didn't allow that activity.

    If I, as a taxpayer, am going to be paying your health care expense, I think we should outlaw an activity that is such a health risk.
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    So your for ending the drug war?
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    I am not sure how to answer such a ridiculously vague question, so let me just state what I believe: I believe that items who's primary usage (key words: primary usage) is to induce a mind altering condition should be illegal because there's too much risk of drug abusers hurting others while in such a state.

    If we just blanket legalized all drugs, it would be a disaster. I don't give a sh*t about what happens to those who abuse drugs, but there would be too many innocent people killed as a result.
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    Hows amsterdam doing?

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