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  1. QuiGon

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    Check out these 2 pie charts in this link. Pretty fightening stuff to those of us that hope America still exists 100 years from now.

    Actually the past few years have convinced me the American dynasty is in its final throes. Thanks to the liberals amongst us, we can clearly see that 75-100 years from now, the United States will be bankrupt and pretty much a 3rd World country.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17083618/site/newsweek/
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    That seems misleading. The supplementals incurred in Iraq and Afg, which amount to a half trillion alone, are not included in the fedral budget.

    You knew that though.

    Oh, and as for bankruptcy, I believe Clinton actually finished his terms with a surplus. What happened to all that money??
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    Generally, a country with the unlimited power of taxation doesn't go bankrupt.
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    Massachusetts Wonderful New Governor Is Buying "Worms" With Taxpayer Money
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    Good for him, at least he's being creative.
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    #24 Jersey

    It's not going to get any better. With an aging population and medical care keeping people alive longer, the social security and medicare costs are going to get impossible to live with. Higher taxes and/or lower benefits will be the only choice. Unfortunately we're headed in the direction of the former.

    One of my pet peeves is all the bullsh!t ads on TV for every pill imaginable. We all pay for all these ED and urine pills through medicare or insurance. This prescription drug thing (including me with insurance, not just medicare) is costing us a bloody fortune and it'll only get worse.
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    You're avoiding the point of the article entirely. Furthermore, the Surplus was given back to the people, who it rightfulyl belonged to. What I hate about the "surplus" talk, is that people tend to think government was cut, well, it wasn't. Government grew as it did under previous administrations. Government is too big period. That one joker takes in more than the other is misleading when discussing government waste and inefficiency. What's terrible regarding the current situation, or the last 6 years, is that government has grown exponentially, which means the next joker will spend more than this drunken sailor by right. GW has taken in record revenues. Should the numbers improve to the point where he takes in $1 more than he spends, which is astronomical even by big government standards, it wouldn't mean didly. He still spent waaaaay too much.

    Our government is headed where Quigon says. We simply cannot support the spending we've attached ourselves too. Be it defense, or welfare, with such a growing mass of both elderly and red inkers, we're doomed.


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    Not to mention all the illegals flooding into our borders... They get all sort of government benefits (food stamps, welfare, free health care, education, in-state tuition) without the minor nuisance of actually having to pay taxes...
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    #24 Jersey

    Then they have kids who are born as citizens and vote for more benefits . . . why do you think the voting demographics are changing ?
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    Exactly. Illegals constitute a high number of what I like to call "red inkers". By rule, they tend to cost more they they pay in. When you figure that they don't have insurance, don't pay taxes (under the table pay, or don't earn enough to pay tax), and add to governmental costs (more fire, police, education, etc). Furthermore, if you make them all legal, then they will immidiately qualify for more welfare services. We're doomed! :eek:
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    And then, presto, there's our downfall of American democracy. The poor people have realized that they can just vote liberal, which is the same as voting themselves more money from the working class (and then the same liberals blame Republicans for the shrinking of the working class). Another problem is that government rewards the poor by providing them greater benefits with more children. We reward a behavior we should be doing everything we can to stifle.
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    #24 Jersey

    The bottom line is people shouldn't be able to vote for taxes for others. If we want to vote for an increased tax rate for eveyone, fine. Or if the top 20% want to vote for the top 20% to pay a higher tax rate, fine. But for the bottom 50% to vote for the top 20% to pay more . . . it's ridiculous.
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    I'm all for that. If we use this method, the income tax will be wiped out in about three weeks! Brilliant!
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    Capitalism needs expanding markets to survive; without profit growth, investors will in theory not pay more for stocks. The illegals have significantly expanded many markets, and in that way do more good than harm for our economy. Of course, they also keep wages low, which hurts a large number of the working people.
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    Yup, they've expanded markets like crime, incarceration, medical costs, education costs, etc...
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    I agree with you to a point - expansion is generally good, however, capitalism - really any economic system - also needs to exercise discipline in spending to survive. Which brings us to Washington D.C....:rolleyes:
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    Many people have jobs and are getting rich because of those things.

    I don't think it can exercise discipline. Capitalism is like a runaway train, and Marx predicted it would eventually lead to a wreck, but so far that hasn't happened, and even if Marx is correct, I think it will still take a few hundred more years. I think 100 years from today, we'll have Social Security and other benefits, and a couple dozen trillion dollars in debt that won't faze anyone. Isn't it amazing that we're apparently not suffering for our current $8.75 trillion debt?
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    Some of the aspects that are triggering the runaway spending are the socail spending programs applauded by leftist (socialist, communist or progressives take your pick). iF we had avoided thee Marxist programs we would have no financial problems at this point, probably no national debt.

    At least you are loyal hanging there with ol Karl :singing: :D
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    We would still have debt because it benefits the capitalists. They might not spend the money on social programs, but they would find a way to spend it. We'd also have lots of homeless old people dying in the streets.

    As far as Karl goes, his vision of workers controlling the economy was an even bigger failure than our vision of unregulated businesspeople controlling the economy. Before we introduced regulations, many companies allowed kids to work 70 hour weeks, had labor conditions that led to numerous deaths, and used the National Guard to kill strikers. Thank goodness that we took some of the best of socialism (social security, Medicare, government regulation, workers rights), and incorporated it into our system.
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