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    McKenzie IR and 5 others...thinking 2 of the 3 Navy guys and 3 of..WRs Nunn and Ortiz, DL SWilliams and CB Love..although that is just my quick thinking....
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    I like Nunn and/or Ortiz to stick around as camp bodies. Love would seem the obvious choice. Possibly Malone. I think we may also see a surprise vet cut "for he can catch on with another team before camp." Tank?
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    The Navy guys will probably all end up on the Reserve-Military list (as did Eckel after Saban swiped him), with the WRs going first, and FB Eric Kettani following later.
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    Love, Tyson Devree, Matt Gutierrez, Ortiz (even though I would like to see him finally make a team),White (we will not have two 5'9'' receivers on our team), and McKenzie on IR...
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    They're unlikely to cut Gutierrez before TC opens, seeing as he's currently #3 on the depth chart.

    Assuming Tate (on PUP) doesn't count against the 80-man limit, who on that list would you keep? [Obviously, I'd keep Gutierrez, although I'd give 50-50 odds he's cut before the season starts.
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    I expect the Pats to carry two QBs on the 53 and either one or two on the PS. Boyer might have a shot at replacing Gutz. If Gutz doesn't start showing some maturity and POISE.

    Bu they will keep at least three and msot likely four, through TC.

    You'll have to look elsewhere for cuts...
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    Gutierrez will be part of the 80 going into camp...as they always have 4 QBs..The only way I see him gone is if they bring in a vet an dat this point not likely.
    Also..besides the obvious McKenzie on IR..they could put Tate on PUP-RESERVE which would make him immediately not count amongst the 80 an dmiss teh first part of the season. This is unlikely but possible.
    DeVree will be part of the 80 as he's the 5th tight end and usually they have at least that many in camp.
    I mentioned DL Steve Williams as a possibility..on the offensive line, Porter could be a cut unless they really think he is progressing and has a shot for a PSQuad position and in a year or so actually make the team. Another lineman Ryan Wendell could be the on eon the outside.
    And as Pats1 said..a surprise cut..THAT could happen..always a possibility! They have to make moves pretty soon as they sign players..so??
    It is also a surprise that they have not added any players.
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    They were playing with fire somewhat when they did that in 2006, but I can only assume that the Patriots felt there was a third player who could play QB (Troy Brown, maybe?) if both Brady and Cassel were, God forbid, injured in the same game.

    At this point, I think they almost have to carry three QBs, unless they're absolutely certain that, say, Edelman could run an offense (not necessarily the Brady offense) if need be. Remember that the NFL lets you dress 46 players on game day if and only if the 46th player is your third QB.
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    The surprise will be that all three Navy players will be retained

    until the final cut.
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    So Besides the given...McKenzie IR..who will the other 5 be??
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    That will be very difficult to do.
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    And with a bunch of signings 4 to go...I think there may be some cuts today....
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    Quite possibly. The Patriots have only officially announced the Ohrnberger, Butler, and Richard signings so far. The Pryor, Vollmer, Edelman, Tate, and Brace signings are all reported to have been agreed to/finalized. Once all of those contracts are signed and completed, the Pats will need to make 2 cuts. So today I think we might see 2-3 of those announced officially, but only until the 4th and 5th are announced will cuts be needed.
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    I don't disagree with your inclusion of the two Navy players but am
    puzzled by the fact they are still on the roster despite missing all
    the workouts. Belichick must like players in Naval Academy uniforms.

    Possible cuts Wendell, Ortiz, Nunn, Love, and Stephen
    Williams.
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    Well, with Gutz having another year under his belt, the first cut seems obvious: It's time to cut loose from that overpaid system player, Tom Brady. That will free up plenty of money for signings and extensions, and it will allow Gutz to step in as the next great Patriots quarterback.
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    Pats1---very correct..the contracts have to be finalized, approved etc so there is a lag time between the press announcement and the team's. So it may be later today or even Monday when the cuts will be started. Bottom line..they are not far away.

    Jimke---I think Kettani was in camp..no?? I know the two receivers were not...but I also believe it's quite possible that they were injured. Will be interesting who is cut and whether any of the 3 will end up on the military reserve list
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    These cuts will be coming up Monday...Tuesday...will be a bit interesting..don't see any surprises...
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    Prospects for release:

    WR Shun White
    WR Robert Ortiz
    WR Tyree Barnes
    WR Terrence Nunn

    TE Tyson DeVree

    OL Ryan Wendell

    DT Steve Williams

    CB Jamar Love

    There's a logjam at WR, with Aiken and potentially Tate and Edelman options as high-value ST players and part-time receiver. I'd expect at least two of the above list of receivers to face release.
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    My guess is that the Navy receivers will be placed on military reserve, rather than released (either way it frees up a roster spot, but MR lets the Pats keep their rights).
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    Why would you have DeVree in that category?? If anything, many see him as a possibilty of a 4th tight end..not TC fodder. I would agree with the logjam of WRs..a few will go.
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    My list of possibles was three times as long as Urgents, I just didn't see any clear cuts without some situational guidance so I hung up the pencil and let BB make his own mind up without me. The one place I would look closely at though is OL...
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    I agree..the OL could be a place for a few...I would not ever even THINK I could make or decide those cuts in any way..but just opening it up for speculation as they will happen soon. I'm not sure I could come up with 20..but who knows what will happen in the next two weeks.
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    On DeVree: I think he is the fifth, not fourth TE.
    At top three, some order of Baker, Smith, and Watson.
    Then you have David Thomas, who has athleticism and talent, but hasn't produced well at all so far.
    Then DeVree.

    At OL, after Wendell, you have:
    Al Johnson - veteran center, former starter, fairly likely to be given a look to see if the Pats could use an interior OL back-up who is a center first, guard second, rather than the reverse
    Wesley Britt - looked good in his first season, then horrible last year, but has a couple years on the roster, some experience
    Billy Yates - famous for being the highest-paid practice squad guy in history, I believe, so the Pats could keep him around and develop him. He started while Neal was out last year, and was ineffective - but he has been a starter here
    Ryan O'Callaghan - behind Kaczur on the depth chart, and now Vollmer as well, but also has some starting experience and coming back from injury.
    Mark LeVoir - played well as a back-up last year

    Could easily see one of these, in addition to Wendell, but each can make a decent case. If I had to guess, I'd probably go with Britt, given the depth with LeVoir, O'Callaghan, and Vollmer.

    Obviously easier for the team to use Military Reserve if that's appropriate.
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    No..you missed what I was saying..as of now he's the fifth TE...but some pundits think DeVree could be the fourth TE on the 53 man roster.
    All true..but what this thread is about is who will be cut to get to 80...I really think it unlikely that Yates, Britt or O'Callaghan would be cut prior to camp, although stranger things have happened in the past.
    I agree..but I wonder if they would use that MR classification on all three?? Will be interesting to see what happens this week.
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    I wouldn't exclude Hochstein from that list, nor Al Johnson and Jermail Porter. Like you I'm reluctant to cut any OL at this point, but like WR, OL is an area where there's a bit of depth to play with. Neal, when healthy, is near All-Pro caliber, I don't see the value in cutting him.

    LeVoir missed OTAs and mini-camp
    Warren missed OTAs and mini-camp
    Mayo missed OTAs and mini-camp
    Green missed OTAs and mini-camp
    Ventrone missed OTAs and mini-camp
    Richardson missed OTAs and mini-camp
    Meriweather missed OTAs and mini-camp
    McGowan missed OTAs and mini-camp
    McKenzie missed OTAs and mini-camp
    Tate missed OTAs and mini-camp
    White and Barnes also missed OTAs and mini-camp

    Any of the above are candidates for Reserve PUP if their rehab projection suggests they'll miss most of preseason. I wouldn't want to lose any of them to PUP, but this is the pool most likely to be drawn from. I could see BB looking at veterans like Ventrone and Richardson and PUPping them to come back mid-season for depth and Special Teams. With O'Callaghan back and healthy, PUPping LeVoir might be considered. I'd certainly want Ty Warren fully healthy before he plays again.

    I don't see DeVree being cut, he's reportedly been impressing the coaches and I see Watson, Baker, and DeVree as the primary in-line TEs while Smith and Thomas are working as H-backs. The pool is just right for the start of Training Camp.
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    To play devil's advocate (although historically this sometimes hasn't been the case), Belichick might have just held those guys out of offseason workouts for precautionary reasons and they'll be 100% come camp. I think that's what we're going to see out of Mayo. And besides, I think 4-5 Reserve/PUPs would be an unprecented number around here...

    (Although, there is unprecedented roster depth this year...)
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    It's true - there seems to be quite a few quality backups available this season - how it's all gonna shake down might make this a TC to remember. Rumours are that BB plans to make it a difficult camp physically. Maybe they'll need tonnes of bodies. He might prefer going hard and losing a few backups than being cautious.
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    Well 4-5 would be a LOT..but in 07..there were 4 on Reserve PUP....DE-Seymour, WR-TBrown, WR-CJackson and DB-EJackson
    I tend to agree with you that a lot of these players may have been held out for precautionary reasons. The one player I have a bit of concern about is Warren.
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    Precautionary is just another way of saying rehab, it doesn't mean they won't be ready in time for Camp or Preseason, but it means they need the trainer's release, anything less and they'd be allowed to participate in OTAs. That's not to say some declined to participate in voluntary activity like Wilfork did, but that's become very rare for NE players. The numbers held out of OTAs seem about normal, I'd not expect more than one or two are being considered for Reserve PUP, unless BB really does want to use it to carry a couple veteran back-of-the-roster players into mid-season as injury replacements. I still wonder if Ty McKenzie might wind up on Reserve PUP vice IR...
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    Good point, given our need at ILB and Tedy's age. Obviously depends on the specifics of his ACL injury. Hopefully he's already had the surgery. Once that's done and results assessed it's up to his progress in rehab. From what we've read about his character and approach to adversity, given good surgery with a good prognosis, he'll likely be a rehab star. He'd need to be able to practise in early November to come off PUP. Reserve PUP seems the place to put him...once he's signed.

    Shadow Roster Seau is another possible late season ILB emergemcy pickup, assuming that he doesn't lose too much of his Social Security benefits check from working.
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