So who does draft work? Pats pick before or after playoff teams with worse record?

[Joker]

Re: So who does draft work? Pats pick before or after playoff teams with worse record

yeah, the basic part that leads to all this confusion is the part where it states playoff teams pick on record amongst themselves, so all playoff teams at 9-7 pick before any at 10-6 and after....BUT where it gets confusing is that this DOES NOT apply when involving a playoff and non playoff team...that's when the conference records and divisional records and THEN strength of schedule and THEN coin flip provisions take hold. I definitely see what Alamo is saying. You have to look at Cleveland's 2006 record to understand their 2007 schedule was WEAKER because of 2006 than Tampa Bay or the other two 10-6 teams, therefore they picked after these three teams. Does it make sense? In a convoluted way,yes...but it sure makes it arcane.

 

[tombonneau]

Re: So who does draft work? Pats pick before or after playoff teams with worse record

FWIW, here is what Great Blue North Draft Report has as updated order with the NEP picking #24 (which could slide up or down depending on who plays in the SB).

Great Blue North Draft Report

#
Team
W-L
Opp W-L %
1 Detroit
0-16
.551
2 St. Louis 2-14 .529
3
Kansas City 2-14 .537
4

Seattle
4-12 .498
5

Cleveland
4-12
.572
6
Cincinnati 4-11-1
.553
7 Oakland 5-11 .520
8
Jacksonville 5-11
.533
9
Green Bay 6-10 .496
10
San Francisco 7-9
.447
11 Buffalo 7-9
.453
12 Denver 8-8
.457
13
Washington 8-8
.479
14 New Orleans 8-8 .492
15 Houston 8-8
.514
P16
San Diego 8-8 .516
P17 New York Jets 9-7 .471
P18 Chicago
9-7
.475
P19
Tampa Bay
9-7
.477
P20 Detroit (from Dallas) 9-7 .498
P21 Arizona 9-7
.486
P22
Philadelphia 9-6-1
.510
P23 Minnesota 10-6
.496
P24
New England
11-5
.480
P25
Atlanta 11-5
.455
P26 Miami 11-5 .461
P27
Baltimore 11-5
.521
P28
Philadelphia (from Carolina) 12-4
.484
P29 Indianapolis 12-4
.494
P30
Pittsburgh
12-4 .525
P31
New York Giants 12-4
.502
P32
Tennessee 13-3
.455

 

[nabwong]

Re: So who does draft work? Pats pick before or after playoff teams with worse record

wow, so Eagles, Cards, Vikings and Chargers all pick before the Pats AND make the playoffs? This sucks. They should just seed all the playoff teams bottom 12 in the draft. Isn't that only fair? How can the record matter for one thing and not the other?

 

[Joker]

Re: So who does draft work? Pats pick before or after playoff teams with worse record

Once again, their strength of schedule numbers are higher than ours, which is the determining factor amongst playoff and nonplayoff teams...if we had made the playoffs it would have been team record, in this case we'd STILL pick after these teams.

 

[Schmo]

Re: So who does draft work? Pats pick before or after playoff teams with worse record

The NFL has terrible logic if playoff teams can pick before non-playoff teams because it would mean only one of the following is true:

1) The best 6 teams from each conference enter the playoffs

or

2) Teams pick in order of who needs the most help.

Personally, especially after today, I think #2 is correct and shouldn't be changed... #1 should be. Call me a sore loser if you want (even though we lost a lot less than the Chargers and Cards).

 

[patsox23]

Re: So who does draft work? Pats pick before or after playoff teams with worse record

It's my understanding that the Patriots pick 19th overall.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Re: So who does draft work? Pats pick before or after playoff teams with worse record

FWIW, here is what Great Blue North Draft Report has as updated order with the NEP picking #24 (which could slide up or down depending on who plays in the SB).

Only up, by at most two spots (i.e., from #24 to #22), and definitely not down.

It's my understanding that the Patriots pick 19th overall.

With all due respect, your understanding is simply wrong (even if all playoff teams picked 21-32, the Pats would still be #20, since they had the best record of any non-playoff team).

 

[Seels]

Re: So who does draft work? Pats pick before or after playoff teams with worse record

wow, so Eagles, Cards, Vikings and Chargers all pick before the Pats AND make the playoffs? This sucks. They should just seed all the playoff teams bottom 12 in the draft. Isn't that only fair? How can the record matter for one thing and not the other?

Yea that's my problem with it too. Draft order and playoff status completely contradict one another. Makes no sense at all.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Re: So who does draft work? Pats pick before or after playoff teams with worse record

 

[PatsFan2]

You guys know we are picking 24th right?

That's like an added punch in the gut after all that happened...the league should fix that rule for none Playoffs Teams. We didn't get in because of our Conference but we are picking like we were in the Playoffs....thats not fair imo.


Great Blue North Draft Report

 

[MassPats38]

Re: You guys know we are Picking 24th right?

Given the Commish's refusal to reconsider rookie contract money until 2011, that is probably not a bad thing. Belichick and Pioli like that position in the draft (other than taking Mayo last year and striking gold).

 

[KevinFaulk-33]

Re: You guys know we are Picking 24th right?

If a team with 10-6 record or less reach the superbowl we can pick 23th, or 22th?

or I am wrong?

 

[MassPats38]

Re: You guys know we are Picking 24th right?

If a team with 10-6 record or less reach the superbowl we can pick 23th, or 22th?

or I am wrong?

Correct. The 23rd or 22nd picks would be a possibility. Only a Super Bowl win by a team with a worse record and/or a loss by a team with a worse record matters and could change the draft order at this point.

 

[Sicilian]

Re: You guys know we are Picking 24th right?

If a team with 10-6 record or less reach the superbowl we can pick 23th, or 22th?

or I am wrong?

Still, I think the point is if we're going to be treated like an inferior, non-playoff worthy team due to which division/conference we play in, shouldn't we gain the draft reward as well? We should be 20th, which is still a very reasonable salary pick. 24 is an insult.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

Re: You guys know we are Picking 24th right?

When did this rule come into play?

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Re: You guys know we are Picking 24th right?

When did this rule come into play?

A long, long time ago.

 

[FortressX]

Re: You guys know we are Picking 24th right?

Our morphing into Colts fans is now complete !!!!
We want to change rules to suit us now.
We are constantly whining about bad weather conditions.
We have become stat obsessed.
Quite simple, we are drafting 24thish because that is were we finished.

 

[Sicilian]

Re: You guys know we are Picking 24th right?

Our morphing into Colts fans is now complete !!!!
We want to change rules to suit us now.
We are constantly whining about bad weather conditions.
We have become stat obsessed.
Quite simple, we are drafting 24thish because that is were we finished.

If we are the considered the sixth best team in our conference (and thus are drafting according to that position) shouldn't we be in the playoffs then? I mean, that's where we finished

I've never liked division systems in sports, but every sport has them, so I accept them, that's fine. But if you're going to treat a team as non-playoff worthy, you can't say the team who makes it ahead of them deserves the draft reward. That reward is meant to help the lesser teams get back in contention. If we are a "lesser" team, we deserve the higher draft pick. Plain and simple.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Re: You guys know we are Picking 24th right?

Meh, doesn't worry me much. Whether we pick 20th or 24th, I'm sure we'll use the pick to get a very good player who can help us a lot.

 

[LloydBraun]

Re: You guys know we are Picking 24th right?

Hey, live by the rules, die by the rules. Leave the whine and cheez to Polian and his idiots.

#24, hopefully William Moore is sitting there for us. We could use a SS with his skill-set.