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    Do most people on this board have jobs that require 40 hours/week?

    When I was a kid, my parents never worked more than 40 hours/week. I'll qualify that by saying my dad had 2 jobs for a while until my mom got into her hairdressing career.

    I still consider the 40 hour work week sacred. I try not to work past 6pm or on weekends and take 100% of my vacation every year. But I see some people who actually proud that they work almost 7 days/week and don't take vacations.

    I see that as a growing illness in America. Workaholism is very real and nothing to be proud of...it's a sickness that reflects severe underlying issues.

    Having said all this, I work for a boss that would love me to work until 9pm every night and work at least one day every weekend. Everytime he encourages that, I just change the subject.:D

    Whatever...I'd like to hear some opinions on what others do for hours and how they perceive American work ethic today.

    Note: I am a recovering workaholic myself.
     
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    PR - I currently work for a bank - in their in a BI group (SQL Developer), but up to this job had worked for small shop vendors.

    When working at the vendor shops, it was expected you would be at a minimum there working 9am-630pm (if you left before 6 it would be mentioned in your review), with after hours work (both weekday and weekend) done as well.

    At the bank (big corp) it definitely is more of a 9-5 attitude, however with my work load and "ethic" from my years in a vendor shop, I usually do 715am-5/530pm. So about 50 hours during the week and VPN in every Sunday morning for a couple of more hours.

    I do the early mornings now so I dont have to work too late at night and can be home for dinner with my wife.

    I think many people in general can still do a 40 hour week. But similarly to how the requirement for a college degree for a some jobs is now moving to a Masters degree requirement, many roles in the "white collar" job sector are moving toward a 45+ plus work week. "Gotta do more with less (workers)".
     
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    We have people like you working for my co. as well. I work remotely from home through VPN servers. I also dabble in some visual basic stuff in automating excel reports...wish I knew SQL Drew!

    One thing about the public corporation model is that it's doomed at some point. Public corps want to grow revenue/profits at a faster rate than consumer spending is increasing. So co's have to be more efficient and do things like buy other co's. At some point, all new markets will be gone and it will be impossible to grow faster than spending and population growth.

    I used to work 60-70 hours/week my first 4 years with my company. Then I pinched a nerve in my neck and was on worker's comp for 3 months. How did my co. and my boss reward my hard work and solid ethic? The decided to only give me 75% of my bonus, that's how.

    So I figured if I wasn't going to be rewarded for working my tail off, then I might as well stop working so frikkn hard. Now I'll still work 45-50 hours/week, but my boss considers that a slacker!

    I also realized working 60+ hours week doesn't give you a rewarding life. Work isn't life....not even close Drewski!
     
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    Ya its interesting. In the vendor shops I worked in, everyone was young (college grad to maybe 5 years out), and it was a "live to work attitude". Im only 28, so I "should" be still willing to do that. However I work to live, so I refuse to continue to work really obscene hours.

    I do some VB work too. But more as an ETL tool in conjunction with SQL Server/Oracle. I had never worked on anything above Excel/Access in college, and stumbled into a job using P/L SQL (Oracle). Self taught, and have since learned T SQL as well as a number of BI Tools (OBIEE, Hyperion, Siebel Marketing, Apex, VSS etc etc).

    Never wanted to do "computer" stuff, but it pays the bills so.....
     
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    I have 3 jobs......... one of which is volunteer only (no pay). I NEVER work less then 50-60 hours a week, and sometimes as much 80. I wouldn't have any other way.

    It's how my daddy raised me. I wouldn't have it any other way. It's how sh!t gets done in this country.

    p.s. I don't do it out of necessity either. It's just who I am. I perform way better working many hours rather then working few. I think there is a growing segment of this country that is becoming lazy and not willing to work hard for an honest day's wage.
     
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    40 hours/week is not lazy....not even close.

    Just my opinion, but working 70-80 hours a week can be super lazy. some people do it to avoid real life responsibilities like attending their children's events or nurturing their persona relationships.

    Your daddy is irrelevant as is "I wouldn't have it any other way".

    Workaholism isn't anything to be proud of and keeping in mind that it is a real sickness, do you think you could be one?

    Bottom-line is that work isn't the most important thing in life...not even #2

    I think the best way "things get done in this country" is when we have the most people possible working. So I'd prefer to see 2 people working 40 hours/week than one doing 80 hours.

    If all I do is sleep, eat & work....what's the sense in it all?
     
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    The one guy has to work 80 hours because his company outsourced and he has to take up the slack to cover up for the fact that the people that replaced all of his co-workers don't know what they heck they are doing...just like the senior managers who implemented the sourcing initiative.
     
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    My co. doesn't outsource IT support...but we have 2 people supporting 250 employees in one office.
     
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    I have an official 40 hour week -- and then pile up comp time I won't use until a realllly slow period, and not because I want to.

    But that's a kind of "flexibility" that makes sense: Work when it's crazy, until the job is done; take the comp time when it's slow.

    (Unlike many, I don't get time and a half or any of that business... as is common when you get to the "better jobs." Hourly workers get time in a half, salaried workers get positive repute that they hope will one day impress someone. In government, up to a certain level you get overtime, and after that it's comp time, in recognition of this type of divide.)

    In a previous period of economic turmoil, the Germans (I believe) had a public relations campaign urging people to not work more than the standard work week ("Don't be selfish" was the slogan, or something like it.)

    Two guys working 12 hours is three guys worth of salary, and two guys worth of benefits. Free market purism at work. You do the math.

    Of course if nobody had any benefits of any kind, I suppose that would reduce the need to make one guy do one and a half guys' work.

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    Self-employed ... work 7 days a week ... somewhere around ~ hours per week. I know not possible but it really does seem like ~ as I get older. I buy 12 Massachusetts $5 lottery tickets once per month in the hopes I can cut it back to 40 hours a week. :p Seriously I have been working since I was 7 years old ... on a paper route and I have not stopped since. :scared: I am absolutely terrified of what will happen when I can no longer work. My dream job for the future as a senior citizen is to push a broom somewhere.
     
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    Once again PR is forgetting that not all people have the luxury of choosing a 40 hour week. Nice work if you can get it - but many cannot.

    The less you get paid per hour the more hours you have to work to make ends meet....and I'm not talking 60 inch televisions and I-Phones, I'm talking food and shelter and college funds for the kidlets.

    None of my kids work a 40 hour week. One of them has a side business along with his 50 hour a week city job. One of them owns his own business and works 80+ hours a week. The youngest just called to wish us a Happy Thanksgiving before he leaves for work - he's doing 12 today, 12 tomorrow and 12 Saturday.

    They all have their various reasons for working the amount of hours they do - some of their reasons are more pressing than others but all of their reasons are valid.

    And don't let MrP fool you...he works more than 40 hours a week most all of the time, too.
     
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    work far more than 40 hours, but it's because I own and run my own business

    Most of my career I've worked well more than 40 hrs per week, but it's because I chose challenging professions and I was a more junior guy.

    All that said, if this business succeeds, I'll have no problem cutting back my hours drastically. I don't mind working, but I don't live for it, either. I could easily work 10-20 hrs per week and fill the rest of the time with things that I enjoy more.

    (My employees mostly work 40-50 hours per week, so no, the 40 hour work week doesn't appear dead to me -- their range is probably 35 hrs- 55hrs)
     
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    Prior to retirement, was scheduled to work 35 hours a week.. never worked less than 45-50 hours per week and was on call pretty much any time they needed me. Days off were Friday and Saturday, Sunday worked from 11:00 AM to 11:00 PM.. the dulcid tones of Gil and Geno still resonate in my brain.

    It was what was expected...
     
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    What an incredibly judgmental post. You don't know me. You don't know my family life. I expect more from you PR.

    There are 168 hours in a week, I operate just fine on about 5-5.5 hours sleep each night. Even on busy weeks, I still have 50-60 hours of time for family and myself. That is PLENTY for me. I also have (and use) 4-5 weeks of vacation every year. I almost exclusively spend my vacation time with family (my kids are all grown - and SUCCESSFUL in their own right). I never missed 1 important event in my kids life as they were growing up. Neither did my father.

    The way my daddy raised me is very important, because he knew how to balance family and work. You can work a lot more then 40 hours and still HAVE PLENTY of time for lives other places. My work doesn't define me, but is certainly demonstrates one my better qualities. I'm known as the guy that gets sh!t done. I won't apologize for that to anyone.

    p.s. For the record. Never said (or insinuated) that someone that works 40 hours is lazy. Not even close. However, if you sit on unemployment for 2 years because you'll make "just as much" as if you work 2 crappy jobs...... well then YEAH, your F&^KING lazy. A lot of Americans doing that these days.
     
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    I forget what I used to do, I retired 24 years ago.

    :bricks:
     
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    My "day job" keeps me there between 45-50 hours a week on normal weeks, and 60-70 on busy weeks. I'd prefer a straight 40, but it is what it is.

    I also sit as a contributing analyst for a firm and do that 15 hours a week. I do it because I like it and I do most of that work on flex time, usually after the wife and kids are in bed.

    I work a lot, but I still sit on the "work to live" side of the "work to live or live to work" spectrum.

    EDIT - Also, I'm not convinced that working boatloads of hours is all that efficient. It's an educated guess, but I'm thinking that most people operate at their peak efficiency up to the 40-50 hourish mark. After that, productivity seems to decline in quantity, quality, or both.
     
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    My 2 cents,

    I work almost all the time, see cause in my view of life everything is work, I go to work and I work 5 days a week 8 hours a day, I go home and work, work on my lawn, in my garden, help with kids and work around the house helping cook dinner and do chores.

    When I'm not doing any of that i'm working on myself trying to be a better person, trying to help friends and family that need help. Life is all about work!

    Taking care of kids if a full-time job, me and my GF both have jobs and both take care of our kids, we just had twins....boy and a girl both about 7 weeks tomorrow.

    So when you factor in our jobs our kids and our work around the house we work all the time, we are not lazy and will never be, its how we view life, its about work....

    work 40/ kids 40 / Weekends kids/house 24=104 hours a week give or take a few hours. We both get very little downtime but we like it that way it keeps us fit and happy and we work hard!

    I have no problem with people working less then 40 hours a week at a job if they have kids or are disabled/older.

    As for the poster saying some people like to live off of unemployment, you may be right to a point, they're are always bad apples......You know how many lazy, good for nothing bosses that I've had that didn't know the meaning of a hard days work? Oh they worked 40-50-60 hours a week, looking at porn and FB and doing drugs they might as well of been on unemployment, they were always the same guys that listened to Rush and Beck every day on the radio always talking about how hard they work and how everyone else is lazy and living off the government titty...... Just because you work 50-60 hours a week at a job doesn't mean your aren't lazy...... I know plenty of people that are lazy facks that work long weeks....:cool:
     
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    PiNY...I think my response took on the same tone as your original post.

    Hard work has nothing to do with hours worked. You came across as if the way you work is a good thing. As in you are a prime example of "how things get done in this country". When the fact is, you're just another worker/employee. Things get done by part-time workers, full time workers, etc..

    I also mentioned that I used to do 70-80 hours a week and I can tell with certainty that my life and health are much better now that I've cut down my hours and put work in it's proper perspective. Which is, it's just work, not life.

    I have actually improved my reputation in my co. since I cut down my hours. Basically I'm trying to say that neither your way nor my way is better...it's just what we CHOOSE to do. Workaholism is very, very real and not something anyone should be proud of any more than any other addiction.

    BTW...if one works 80 hours/week and sleeps 8 hours/day, there are only 32 hours left in the week....now why do anticipate you telling me you only sleep 5-6 hours/day?
     
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    And who are you to say it is not? For him, it is a good thing. For you, it is not. That doesn't make your way better than his. Not by a long shot. If you feel you must condemn "his" way in order to promote "your" way, there's a problem....and the problem does not lie with him

    And if the responses here are any indication, he IS a prime example of just that thing.

    Again, your perspective, not necessarily the proper one for anyone but yourself.

    And what is "life" if not work? Face it, we are, largely, composed of what we do - and what we do, for most of us, is work.

    If someone had asked me, years ago, what I was - I would have replied with my job title - Not "mother," not "wife," not "daughter," not "skateboarder," not "dreamer." While those things may be my yardstick, they are not my definers by a world definition.

    Really? Because each of your posts, including this one, certainly sound that way.

    And since when does enjoying your occupation or working 80 hours a week if it's necessary to support your family and pay your bills qualify as "addiction?"

    Maybe because that's all he needs? Maybe because that's all he gets? The average American gets between 6 and 7 hours of sleep each night. He's within that range.
     
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    I'm a Production SQL DBA and I've done the sys admin gig as well. I've also worked for the sweat shops. I work for a larger financial services company now. The job fits my lifestyle. I've had weeks where things are broken and I'm on-call where I've worked over 100 hours and a lot of them in the middle of the night. When it's that bad I'll get comp time and use it the following week once things calm down. I work weekends and nights when required.

    The flip side to that is I often duck out early when my wife has closings as a real estate attorney. I also attend any and all events for the kids at school often right in the middle of the day and nobody ever blinks. I probably average out somewhere around 45 hours per week when all is said and done and use all of my vacation time.

    I like what I do and have a good work to life balance. Everybody needs to decide what that is for them. At different times in my life it's been totally different for me.
     

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