...playing pool and having some fun while two GB Packer fans start on the season that Farve had and if he will retire. They start saying that Farve was set up to fail this year and and he is not responsible at all for any of the demise of the Packers this year. It was all the injuries to his running backs, offensive line and receivers and that it was just a shame that Farve had to be part of that mess this year. They go on to say that Farve is by far the best QB ever and is still in the top 5 of the active QB's. One guy even starts on how Farve was voted the NFL's sexiest man this year - say what...who the hell cares about that crap, but I am posting it so you can see the extent of their man love. Then, minding my own business, they try to drag me into the conversation and attack Brady. "product of a system", "product of a great coach", "product of a tremendous defense" , "he would be nothing without Vinateri" yada yada yada - I know you have all heard it before. So, I decide to shut up and not even bother. I mean, does Brady need me defending him...pretty much his actions on the football field speak for themselves, no?!?!? Anyway, they start saying that Brady has only been to one more SB than Farve, which is true, but they are trying to prove a point that Farve is so far and away better than Brady! The killer was when they suggested that Farve has a better chance of getting back to a SB than Brady. My point of this is, WHY do fans of opposing teams feel the need to bash Brady? Why? Is it respect that his name gets tossed into these conversations? It is jealously? Do they really believe the crap about the system QB thing?