SMY is my new favorite Pats reporter

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  1. captain stone

    captain stone Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

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    Some of her comments during today's chat at

    "I'm one of the ones who feels there is a big hole at receiver."

    "...I'm not sure if the locker room is strong enough right now to absorb a player like [WR Dez Bryant]..."

    "...I've never been a Kaczur fan."

    "Plus, the Pats haven't had great success with receivers they've picked in the 2nd round."
    To be honest, they did draft Branch in the 2nd round, too.

    "Players who can get to the QB is def. a major problem for NE..."

    "The Pats need playmakers...they've hit on nearly all of their 1st-round picks (Maroney & Watson the exceptions)."

    "...I think even I've lost faith [Maroney] will develop into a top back."

    "...[Brady] has taken some big hits (and lots of them) over the years."

    "...I think the bloom is off the rose with Moss here..."

    " this team stands right now - notice, I said right now - I do think we're looking at an 8-8 season or so. There are a lot of holes..."

    "Truly all of the above [OLB, ILB, DE, TE, WR, OL] are needs."

    "The 2006, 07 & 08 drafts were quite poor."

    "ILB is a need because Guyton isn't strong against the run."

    SMY, like many Pats fans, seems honest in her assessments without having an agenda, which in the case of Breer is his NY-love & aspirations for going Broadway, thus his constant & annoying name-dropping; and in the cases of Bogus, TonAss, Cafardo, Ryan, Spazz & the CHB, is their pathological hatred of Bill.

    Providence's loss is indeed Boston's gain.
  2. DarrylS

    DarrylS Supporter Supporter

    Really liked her at the Pro Jo, she seems to get a lot of stuff and does some very nice reporting.. you will really enjoy her, and sometimes she even posts on this board.. SMY, I believe, is her name here.

    She reminds me of Tom Curran when he was good..
  3. Sean Pa Patriot

    Sean Pa Patriot Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

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    She is right, too many holes at Wr , a lack of a pass rush, and a oline that is in question.. and you have a 8-8 team right now... As she said RIGHT NOW...
  4. PatsWickedPissah

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    I like SMY the reporter but disagree with several of her opinions, although I do understand her hatred of the Scourge of the Great White North, the Damn Canadians, SMY quote... "...I've never been a Kaczur fan."
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  5. BostonPatriot

    BostonPatriot Practice Squad Player

    She better watch out! Emoney and the rest of the homer brigade put out a contract on her after reading her comments. How dare she not talk about how the Pats are going to go 13-3 this year.


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    How DARE she say the Pats COULD be an 8-8 team and are not better than the Jets or Dolphins right now!!

    She should know better like our fellow homersapiens in here and knowitalls with 12,000 glorious meaningful professional football experts posts at that as long as BB and Brady are here it does not matter who the other 40+ players are,hell they could be mostly guys off the streets but regardless of that this team will NEVER be anywhere near .500,its not possible and the Jets will NEVER and I mean NEVER win an AFC east title again as long as we all shall live !!!..

    How dare she say Maroney is finally considered worthless and a waste as a first rounder after 4 awesome pro bowl bound years with all those BIG games that he won for us and I can't count how many of those games he had that were so spectacular,How dare she!!!!:cool:.

    An immediate one star thread for an impossible 8-8 prediction,she should know better!!,Shame on your SMY for those irrational predictions!,We all know its impossible to beat the New England Patriots unless the refs are paid off :rolleyes:
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  7. BelichickFan

    BelichickFan B.O. = Fugazi Supporter

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    She didn't say "could" she said "I do think we're looking at an 8-8 season or so" and I think she's nuts on that one. I guess we'll see, not only do we have a lot of picks this year but we have a lot of picks from last year coming back for their second year and we should see real strong contributions there.

    And what's with her defending Adalius Thomas ? SMY, I like you but you need to wake up on that one.
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  8. Prufrock

    Prufrock Practice Squad Player

    Since it seems like the Patriots aren't going to be making any significant moves in free agency, I'm guessing the holes will have to be filled through the draft. If this is so, I think we are in for a long season. Relying on rookies is a bad, bad idea in the NFL.
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  9. BelichickFan

    BelichickFan B.O. = Fugazi Supporter

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    We have the same team returning from last year except :

    Watson gone
    Green gone
    Thomas gone
    Welker out early on

    and to make up for that we have a good number of guys who were rookies who are now second year players.

    Of the list above only Welker is an issue. Watson wasn't used a lot as a receiver and wasn't a good blocker, Green didn't do much and we all know about Thomas. In fact other than the Welker issue, I think we're coming back stronger than we left last year. Of course, the Welker issue could be big depending how long it takes.
  10. Fencer

    Fencer Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

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    Do you also disapprove of relying on 2nd-year players? Anything they give is an improvement, right, since rookies are worthless?
  11. DaBruinz

    DaBruinz Pats, B's, Sox Supporter

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    Only SOME of the Pats fans are honest in their assessments. And, to be honest, Your addition of things in parenthesis is your assumption of context.

    No offense to SMY because she is a great reporter, but that's just it. She's a great reporter. Her opinions don't amount to sh!t. Just like everyone else.

    I find it funny that the Pats added such talented players as Chung, Vollmer, Brace, and Edelman last year, yet they supposedly have more holes now than ever. The OLB situation is actually better than prior to the start of last year because of TBC finally finding success. The secondary is probably the most solid it's been since 2003. The ILB situation hasn't changed since last year except that Mayo and Guyton have both gained experience.

    Contrary to her belief the 2006 draft wasn't poor. It was average. The 2007 draft was good because of the additions of Moss, Welker, and Meriweather. Not hitting on the other players is no big deal.

    The 2008 draft can't be graded until after this upcoming season. Mayo has been good. Wilhite has filled in well. Slater has been exceptional on special teams contrary to most people's understanding (or should I say LACK of). This is the make or break years for Wheatley and Crable.

    People need to stop thinking that it's a poor draft just because the Pats didn't hit on every friggin pick. I believe it's like a 10% possibility that a 5th, 6th, or 7th round pick contributes. Never mind becoming a star. But contributes. Everyone has such high expectations because BB has had luck with Brady, Givens, Edelman, etc. But they are they exceptions, not the norm.
  12. crowell33

    crowell33 In the Starting Line-Up

    I agree with you. Belichick always says that the biggest jump a player a makes in his career is after his rookie season. So I think your premise that these guys can be relied on by year two is spot on.
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  13. DaBruinz

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    There are still plenty of players available in free agency. As for "relying on rookies" being a bad idea, Logan Mankins says hi. So do Seymour, Eugene Wilson, and Jerod Mayo, just to name a few.
  14. JMarr

    JMarr In the Starting Line-Up


    Yeah, "to name just a few?" How bout naming some more? That's 4 players in what, 9 years?. Are you seriously going to argue that it's likely for us to get more than one, maybe two rookies who come in this year and make a big impact at their positions?

    I'm hoping that BB drafts better this year, doesn't trade away from marquee talent in the draft, and even tweeks his schemes a bit to allow rookies to make a bigger impact.

    Your homerism knows no bounds.
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    We have no idea if sophomores like Edelman won't end up as a one year wonder either...nothing is close to being in stone

    Besides the injury,Mayo took a step back from his rookie season and it could happen to Julian as well,we shall see.


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    What he also fails to mention is how savvy play hard veterans helped Mayo (Bruschi),Wilson (Harrison) and Seymour (Hamilton and Pleasant) to make the adjustment as rookies to look decent in thier first year and how much that first year with those veterans helped thier career.

    Its arguable if guys like Wilfork and Mayo are strong enough to do that to this years defensive crop.

    Some guys just forget those great veterans who helped those youngsters along are no longer here and there are no adequate leaders here at this time.
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  17. Metaphors

    Metaphors In the Starting Line-Up

    Sigh. Let's take them one at a time...

    You mean losing a receiver averaging over 100 catches/year as a Pat leaves a big hole at the position? Of course there is a hole. She is "one of the ones" with "the ones" including everyone. The questions are a) how much of that hole can BTate fill and b) when will Welker be back at near 100%.

    The locker room has been/is/will continue to be strong enough to provide the structure and environment for dedicated players to succeed. It never was/isn't/will never be enough to "absorb" anyone that wants to be a problem child. The first sentence also applies to a handful of the top teams in the NFL. The second sentence applies to every team in the NFL.

    Tough to argue with that. He is a solid but unspectacular player that gets exposed in disastrous ways just about 1-2 times a game. Not too many people are going to be "fanatical" about that. The real question is how much has Light drifted into the same territory.

    Except when they have. This statement has a sample size of 3. Branch was a great pick. CJack was a disaster. Bethel was somewhere in the middle (excellent on ST which was a key draft need, not so hot developing into a deep WR threat). So would I expect more production from those players? Absolutely. Would I shy away from drafting a WR in the 2nd round as a result? Please.

    Again...who is disagreeing with this assessment?

    "Playmakers" is a completely loaded word. It has come to mean everything from "high-priced" to "freakish athlete" to "stat hound". The Pats need none of these things in isolation. The Pats need more players that make big plays in big situations. They could make big bucks (or not). They could be workout warriors (or not). They could be record-breakers (or not). The Pats could have a handful of "playmakers" on the roster right now that haven't had the experience or opportunity to come up big yet. Or not.

    Crapping in Maroney's Cheerios is a pretty safe move nowadays for the MSM.

    Correct. That has more to do with Brady's (and the offense in general) present and less with his future replacement. O'Connell was drafted when Brady was 30 and coming off one of the all-time great QB seasons. Do you really think Belichick was thinking of developing O'Connell as a Brady replacement for at least 5-6 years? Drafting and developing QB talent has proven to be a great use of draft resources. Doesn't mean Brady will be on the street anytime soon.

    I really want the anti-Moss crowd to stand up and be accountable this year. Assuming he and Brady are healthy, Moss should be a huge factor in the Pats success. So if Moss-ageddon doesn't happen, these statements should be revisited.

    As for the Moss statement about not getting paid by the Pats next year, he is almost certainly right. The Pats are pretty consistent about letting players go when the production doesn't match the compensation. I don't expect any player (including Moss) to like it much, but it is good business.

    Seriously. The Pats pretty much have 4 gimme games (besides the "any give Sunday" factor)...2xBuffalo, Cleveland, Detroit. That gives the Pats 12 games (7 of them at home) and only needing 6 wins to reach double digits. Let me repeat...12 games, 7 at home, need to win 6. So while 8-8 or worse is certainly a possibility, it strains credibility to say that the Pats are "looking at an 8-8 season".

    As for the "right now" part. Of course the Pats have roster space they need to fill. This is the deepest draft in a generation and the Pats have a boatload of picks, a handful of them early. A good number of these players will need roles and responsibilities from day one. They won't just be camp fodder or fighting for a special teams spot. So some of those "holes" are actually reserved seats for some talented players (dare I say "playmakers") added a month from now.

    OLB, DE, TE and WR are definitely needs (how many top 50 picks do the Pats have?). At ILB, the Pats have a relatively high draft pick they haven't even unwrapped yet. Even punting Kaczur, the Pats are relatively deep at all positions but center... and last time I looked you only started one of those. The Pats still have 2 picks from last year who haven't had an opportunity yet. These positions are only needs this year if the Pats are going to flush players, and even then a good number would have to go.

    2006 wasn't good. 2008 can't be fully evaluated yet (the Mayo homerun and O'Connell whiff aside). 2007 is the single most misunderstood draft situation in history. Here are some facts:

    - The Pats had one pick in the top 120. Just one. And Meriweather is a fine player with the potential to develop into an elite player (he just turned 26).

    - The 2007 draft class was horrific, particularly outside of the 1st round. Go check it out. While you can cherry-pick a player here and there, it was terrible as a whole.

    - The Pats turned a 2nd, 4th and 7th into Moss and Welker. Also turned a 1st and 3rd into future picks (one of which was Mayo).

    If that is "quite poor", then take me to the poorhouse. If the point is that their picks outside the top 120 in a biblically bad draft (half of which were untradeable comp picks) didn't make the cut for a roster that came a hair from history...I don't know what to say.

    Know what other teams had ILB's that weren't strong against the run? They should be familiar because they played in a pretty big game in February. So go ahead and lust for McClain in the draft or look for the next Ted Johnson or wonder how many NT's can fit in a 4-3 alignment. Just don't be surprised when the Pats are sitting at home watching the playoffs after crushing losses against Manning and Rivers and Roethlisberger and Favre and Rodgers and ... This is a passing league and almost all the Pats big losses under Belichick have been the result of the inability to get the opposing QB off the field at crunch time.

    Go ahead and mention the Ravens game. Try explaining how a slower, stouter ILB would have stopped that 80 yard run or prevented the Ravens from having a handful of drives start inside the Pats 25.

    I actually agree with you on SMY, but this chat was full of "conventional wisdom" and very little depth or insight. While it is sure to get high ratings from the reactionary "I can run the Pats better" crowd, it is pretty old and stale. There are plenty of legitimate questions around the team-building and on-field play of the Pats. And almost all of it doesn't involve Maroney's breakfast.
  18. crowell33

    crowell33 In the Starting Line-Up

    The current odds of hitting on all (4) picks in the first two rounds ( lets say OLB,TE,WR, and DE ) and having them all become impact starters in their rookie years, is zero. If the Patriots can find one immediate starter in the draft and one player who is starting by years end, they will have done very well.

    Terrence Wheatly, Bethel Johnson, Ron Brace, Chad Jackson, Ben Watson, and Laurence Maroney all say Hi !
    Last edited: Mar 25, 2010


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    I would think it would be wise to give thier first and an extra 2nd or so to move up and get a good shot at a stud than to sit at 22 and stay the course in the second and maybe do a deal later in the draft (trade Thomas) to get another pick back.
  20. JMarr

    JMarr In the Starting Line-Up

    Nice breakdown overall. I don't agree with everything she is saying either, but disagree with you on the above paragraph [for beginners]. Nobody (intelligent) thinks of "playmakers" as workout warriors, high$$ guys, or "stat hounds." The term speaks for itself. The Willie McGinests, Rodney Harrisons, and Ty Laws of the world to name just a few. Guys that are capable of consistently and sometimes single-handedly reeking havoc on any given play. Game-changers. Very few of these players exist and the Pats have none on defense and exactly one besides Brady (who also happens to have a separated shoulder and bad back) on offense.
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