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SMY: A long term deal for Welker could be in the works

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  1. Rob0729

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    She is on Sirius NFL radio now and she said that she is hearing that the Pats and Welker are making progress on a deal and we could he about a long term deal sometime in the near future. It didn't sound like we will hear something tomorrow or in the next week, but it sounds like he could have a deal by the summer or even sooner.

    EDIT: The summer part is my guess since that is when the Pats really need to have a deal done to have Welker not hold out for training camp and the preseason. SMY made it sound like the deal could be far sooner, but I didn't want to raise expectations too much.
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    Excellent!! I think? No way do I wanna see Wes playing anywhere else but there is some funny money going around to WR right now. Hopefully this will be team friendly.
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    Excellent!

    I'd made a similar assumption in another thread... That going for the cheaper deep WR in the 31 year old Brandon Lloyd as a short term stopgap would be a good sign for signing Welker long term.

    As much as I drool over having someone like Wallace on the team, the reality is he'd be the long term #1 WR and we wouldn't be able to afford both him and Welker long term.

    If we can sign both Welker and Lloyd we're in excellent shape for the next 2 seasons.

    There would be renewed pressure to develop some young WRs, with both Lloyd and Wlker on the wrong of 30, and Belichcik has not had the best of luck with that, but in the short term we'd be looking pretty good at WR.

    But overall if you give me a choice between Welker and Lloyd for three seasons or just Wallace
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    The signing of Welker to a long-term contract would be the #1 event in the off-season. This signing would solidify our offense for the 2012 and 1013 seasons. I don't know that Welker has much more than that in the tank. That is why the patriots reportedly offered him a 2-year extension.

    HOWEVER, I would celebrate the signing at almost any contract terms that Belichick would agree to.
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    Not sure why you are putting an expiration date on him in 2013, I have seen no evidence at all of him slowing down a lick.
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    Welker is great no question about it, but I think alot of his success is a result of the QB and the system. We've seen TB make alot of money for alot of WRs and Wes is another.

    Not sure Wes would be the player that he is on another team in another offense and I think he knows that.

    Hope the long term deal isn't anything over 4 years.

    You wonder if an Amendola (younger) coming in for a #2 at 1/4 the price and potentially similar production might be something BB is looking at.
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    The title of this thread made me laugh.

    Like it was news that the Pats and Welker were in the process of working on a deal.
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    The summer would be too long.

    Welker signing sooner would free up cap space now.
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    Welker, Branch and Lloyd

    Thats a good start, but Id like to see another FA or draft pick at WR.
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    Polian thought the same thing about Manning when he gave him a contract that paid him $26 million to sit on the bench.
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    Not really. What other receiver has had close to Welkers success with Brady?

    I disagree there but it is total conjuecture anyway.

    Agree

    Thats like saying the Lions could have cut Calvin Johnson and brought in Torry Smith for 1/4 of the price and similar production.
    I hate how people dismiss Welkers unique skills because they are unique.
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    So your argument is that since one player was injured, you should never sign any player to a long term contract?

    By the way, your analogy stinks too, because Manning was injured when he got the contract.
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    I assume they will draft a WR or two to develop. Both Welker and Lloyd are on the wrong side of 30 and drafted WRs often take a few years to develop, if they ever do at all (see the long list of WRs drafted by the Patriots)
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    It's not an analogy. Older players are... Well, older players. They begin to lose speed, and are often prone to injury as they age.

    Polian assumed Manning was healthy enough to be a long term QB when he signed him to that contract. I hardly think he gave him $26 million knowing he'd never step foot on the field S a Colt again.

    Don't be so thin skinned. Older players tend to have a shorter shelf life. Accept it.
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    The patriots are likely to have a youngster on the roster as a WR. This is general waste of a draft pick and a roster spot. Belichick finds his WR production in free agents and in trades. It is NOT necessary to plan to fill all positions in the draft.

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    Lets hope so.

    Im ready for the Pats to find a diamond in the rough like Cruz or Austin.
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    The summer part was my guess, not from SMY. SMY didn't give a timeline. She just said progress has been made and looks like a deal could very well be coming. Sounds like it won't happen that soon. I just didn't want to raise expectations.

    It is news though since last we heard was that talks were stalled.
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    It is news because last we heard, talks were stalled. Looks like progress is being made. As I said, the summer part was my guess, not SMY.
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    Thin skinned?WTF?
    Welker has shown no signs of slowing down. It seems ridiculous to say there will be nothing left in the tank in 2 years.
    The fact that Polian signed a 35 year old with an injury that was going to force him to miss the season really has no impact on that topic.
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    I seem to recall one reason we got him was because he was pretty good in Miami too. Not necessarily big yardage, but several plays that moved the chains. I think there are several systems out there that he'd do fine in.
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    And there are many other teams that would adjust their system to feature him
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    The Pats already had Patten and Troy Brown and then drafted Branch and Givens.

    Id say those draft picks worked out OK.
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    That was a long time ago.

    The waste is the using of early draft picks.

    I never have a problem with trying to find a diamond in the rough in the late rounds. Givens and Edelman are examples of this success.

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    SMY is dead wrong so far.
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    How can she be dead wrong about saying today that the player and team are working on a deal? Do you have some kind of evidence that they are not?
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    Edelman has been a decent return guy and all around handyman, but I find it very hard to call him a success as a WR
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    Edelman brings more to the table as a DB than a WR.

    Id like to see the Pats spend at least a 2nd on a WR. Granted the Pats got burned on Bethel and Chad Jackson/Johnson. After NE picked Bethel, Anquan Boldin, Nate Burleson and Brandon Lloyd were picked. After NE picked Chad, Greg Jennings, Devin Hester and Marcues Colston were there. There are damn good WRs in every draft, NE needs to do a better job of finding one.

    The going on the cheap/scrub approach just is not working out in the passing game: Price, Slater, Edelman, PK Sam, then non - draftees like Aiken, Stanback and Underwood.
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    Crazy idea but I'm not totally convinced the Pats want a long term deal (4+ years) w/ Welker. There has been crazy money and Welker has to be thinking he deserves more than the other receivers who were available. If we simply franchise him again next year we'll have gotten him at 2 years 20-22 mil and give ourselves 2 years to find new receivers who complement Gronk and AHern. We can't be paying Welker, Gronk and Hernandez all at once in '14.

    Perhaps after 2 years of franchising him we can sign Welker to 33 year old Welker to a cheaper yearly deal that is longer / more guaranteed than what other teams are offering.
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    Edelman was drafted in the 7th round. He is still here. He is a decent returner, an emergency defensive back and an OK backup slot receiver. I guess we all have our own definitions of success.

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    I think you probably have to give Welker 4 years. I'm not sure you get 4 years out of him though... That guy take a LOT of tough hits in the middle, and aside from his ACL tear seems to bounce back up.

    But no GM let alone Belichick is going to bank on Welker being healthy and as productive as he has been in his past performance. The smarter and safer thing to do is use the next two years to groom Welker and Lloyd's replacement (assuming we sign both)

    Assuming anyone is going to be the exception to the rule of age catching up with them, be it Brady, Welker, or any player, is just foolish. Hopefully you get lucky and they defy the odds for a few extra years, but you never bank on that.
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