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Smart of US to Allow Iran to Self-Implode

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  1. shmessy

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    These things usually happen from within, not by external force.

    I'm thrilled that Ahmadinejad and the mullahs overplayed their card so baldly. As a result, they've lost "the street". Oh sure, they may be able to forcibly keep order for awhile, but the fuse is lit. No invasions or purple diatribes from here needed now. At this point in time (and, of course, this might change) I hope the US plays it like the New England Patriots scheme - - let the other team make the inevitable mistake and then pounce/take advantage.

    After this weekend, they are on their way down the drain.
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    when 70% of your population is under the age of 30, and the average age of an Iranian is 28....


    change is coming from within.
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    All the people cheering the rioters on in Iran are the same people that were HORRIFIED at our "little tea partys"

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    I will totally agree that Iran is imploding. I'm impressed by the courage of the people there. Demanding their own freedom. I WISH ALL THE SUCCESS.

    I disagree that the US action have been "smart". Obama's "silence" is deafening and a huge sign of weakness. People have been murdered in the street by militias, yet nary a peep from the "One". Typically WEAK.

    I'm not the only one that thinks so".
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    So, what you have us do?
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    They do not need, or want, out and out physical support, but solidarity is important, even in some small way. A simple statement like;

    Would do wonders, it would let the people know, in a subtle way, that we stand with them, yet is not incredibly offensive to the current regime. Obama is voting "present" once again. Only this time the world is watching.
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    I sincerely hope so, shmessy. I would love to see Ahmadinejad go down. I just hope that, if the citizens do take down the current regime, someone who harbors a good amount of hate for "Western ways" does NOT step into his place. Supposedly though, the younger population of Iran wants a better relationship with the West. As someone else here said, they like blue jeans, coke (the drink or the drug... doesn't matter), and Marlboro cigarettes.

    EDIT: And you can bet your ass that Israel is happy to hear this as well...
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    I'm not sure I agree.
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    I'll keep my fingers crossed that this is for real and won't just fizzle out.
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    Make a "statement"????? Isn't that what the UN is consistently derided for doing. Obama already did his part with the Cairo speech - - he gave the carrot to the youth of Iran and they are running with it (just like the youth of Lebanon did last week in stunning Hizballah with a huge parliamentary election shocker.

    Statements after the fact mean nothing. The genie has already left the bottle over the weekend. Ahmedinejad won't be able to put it back again. Obama should walk softly and carry a big stick. The Obama Administration should publicly sit this out while covertly fanning the flames. Burn baby burn.

    We've had 8 years of big, dumb and loud. Now let's hope we have sly, silent and lethal.
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    I agree.
    And,Iran, like it or not, is a soverign nation.
    It's not our job to police their elections.
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    Wow, that really puts you teabaggers to shame.

    We know change has come to America. Lets all hope Iran's got themselves an Obama in this guy.
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    Or maybe we can use some trumped up B.S. wmd claim in order to invade.
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    In the short-term it very well may. But the genie is out of the bottle on Ahmedinejad. 100,000 in the streets of Tehran (and who knows how many more in the other cities that journalists can't visit).

    It took 5 years of small scale, but growing riots to topple the Shah. This may not take 5 years.

    The REAL story, however, is how the ACTUAL power (the mullahs) play this. At first they strongly shilled for the election results, but are beginning to back down a bit and publicly are ordering an "investigation" into it. Let's see if they get scared and throw Ahmedinejad under the bus.

    This could get fun.
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    They don't.

    Mousavi is no pro-West reformer. He's just less bad than Ahmadinejad. Don't forget, this guy was in a place of power there before and he was no friend of the West.

    The best we can hope for is that the mullahs mishandle the situation so badly that the youth of Iran (and the women) turn on them.
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    BULLSH!T. come on, I know you are not that dumb?

    The Cario speech, was PART of it, but if you don't think the last eight years have had any bearing on what is happening over there right now, you are insane. It is no mistake that we happen to be standing resolutely on each of Iran's borders right now. There has been tons of mistakes along the way, but 8 years of pounding the lectern about democracy and standing firm in attempting to give the people the right to self-determination (which Iraqis are not trying to take advantage of.

    What is the revolution about? About repression of the peoples right to self-determination. They were actually looking, and apparently voted, in a much more MODERATE person.

    This is many years in the making and yes, Obama is part of it, but so is Bush to a certain extent. We can debate that all day long. But get a clue.

    This is most definitely a "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" moment for Obama.
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    He's also no enemy........ He's neutral, and a puppet put up by the mullah's, however, it is no mistake that the two reported vote getter were the two biggest reformers.

    ....... and if you think this is still about Mousavi, you are slightly behind. This is about self-determination.
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    You think this is from OBama's speech? LOLOLOLOL!!!

    This is a combination of a very young populace, a tough talking old schooler being in power (running a poopy economy), even tougher mullahs calling the shots, years of sanctions, restrictions on music, cloths, holding hands, etc. a life long neighboring rival having free elections (not the kind where the mullahs name the people you can vote for), and an election turnout that those youngsters didn't like. The goggles some of you people are wearing, need a little Windex.
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    Firstly, it is debateable just how much more moderate the other candidates were.
    Secondly, Iranians are protesting the outcome of their election, and Bush is partly responsible?
    Thirdly, this is the time for U.S. rhetoric? We should loudly but in to Iran's affairs in hopes that it will inspire a revolution that we hope will improve relations?

    Just trying to understand where you're coming from buddy.
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    And if you think a bunch of people spouting off a bunch of right-wing limaughesque talkng points is the "Big Stage", then you really need to get out more.
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    The problem here is that what you perceive as 'standing resolutely' they perceive as ready to attack. Which by and large will tend to cement people to their leaders in exactly the same way Bush's popularity shot up right after 9-11. Our invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan delayed this if anything.
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    This is not about the particular candidate #1.........

    This is a student/youth revolution protesting the suppression of the will of the people (democracy), and yes....... 8 years of isolation and a US policy of ME geopolitical change (performs very poorly at times), likely does have an impact. It's possible that "hope and changes" Cairo speech fomented a little leg tingling pre-election.

    Which is all the more reason that a SIMPLE statement to the effect:

    "We stand with the Persian people and their right to the democratic due process and we adhore the violence were seeing at the various protest's."

    Nothing inflammatory or grandstanding, just a simple statement or support. Instead, we're letting Germany speak for us. :rolleyes:

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