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    Yes, they do. In fact, players have gotten ejected for accidentally striking refs, let alone deliberately.

    And let's not forget that Cary Williams is the same jackass who should have been ejected for punching Edelman. :ban?:
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    This was the most blatant non-call I've ever seen. It was completely impossible for the official to say he didn't see it. If they have no problem ignoring this, then what else?
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    I can understand (not agree with but understand) why the ref would eat the flag in the heat of the moment, but not fining him is setting a dangerous precedent.
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    Tap a refs arm to ask him a question that'll be $50,000 Mr Belicheck. Violently shove a ref during a game? here is a lombardi trophy and no fine.
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    The non-action by the league bothers me. The league has without exception either ejected and or fined players for contact with officials either accidental or deliberate. The league cannot condone a rather violent shove by Cary Williams - I cannot think of any reason the league violates its own policy.
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    This is bull crap. In my mind, he should serve his deserved ejection by way of suspension in week 1 next season. There's no way you can rationalize doing nothing.
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    His socks were at the correct height so there was no reason to fine him.
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    They should never suspend or fine a player for touching a ref ever again in the NFL after this botched call
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    That's very interesting!
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    Hard to believe Brandon Lloyd got a flag for tossing the ball to the ref after seeing that.
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    If I was any player that was ejected/fined this year for anything to do with a ref, I'd be filing a complaint with the league and having it go before an arbitrator. The fact that Williams wasn't ejected immediately was ridiculous. The fact that he wasn't even fined or suspended for 1 game just goes to show that the league was pulling for the Ravens.
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    I would love to hear the rationale from the league why there is no fine for the shove of the ref. The ref union really should get involved, and they have leverage, as the replacement refs were an embarrassment to the league.

    I also don't get why nothing was done about the helmet to helmet hit on crabtree on the final SF drive. Since the ball got knocked out before he had possession and an incompletion, doesn't that make him defenseless too, making contact to the head illegal?
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    this is the third sb i have serious questions about after steelers/seahawks and of course after '07.
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    The fix is in!
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    So frank Gore got a fine for having his socks rolled down in a game and Williams can shove a ref and its fine.
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    after all the non calls in the game, the league probably doesn't want to call out any particular incident in the game.....:rolleyes:
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    The officials' union is likely the last group that would get involved because it would only re-focus attention on the malfeasance of one of its members. Just another piece of evidence for those conspiracy theorists who suspect the NFL wanted the "Ray-vens" to win.
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    That is actually part of it. The kicker is the controversey about Boger even getting this game after having his record cleaned up on appeal by Ray Anderson the extent he qualified as the best referee all season (when he's not even close to that) and therefore the one who got the plum assignment. Which of course the league vehemently denied... Williams also made the heat of the moment argument after the fact, but then they all do and it usually falls on deaf ears.

    I think Ray Anderson, who has been Sr. VP of football ops for the league since 2006 and who I always felt had as much if not more to do with the severity of our penalty in 2006 as Goodell did, has had his fingerprints all over a lot of Goodell's bull in the china shopesque miscalculations over the last several years including his oversight on officiating and penalties. He's a former lawyer turned agent who repped many minority HC's including St. Dungy before his hire by the league. I hear he's jonesing for a club presidency and the Raiders are his latest suitor. Do the rest of us a favor and hire the man...
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    In Goodell's NFL some teams are more equal than others. Apparently there are rules for teams he likes as in this incident and the Jets tripping gate and different rules for the Pats and Saints. I would not be suprised if the ref's got the word from on high how to call the game.
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    The officials answer to no one. They have carte blanche to either call or not call penalties that actually happen or invent ones that don't without fear of reprimand and are not required to assume responsibility for their actions. If they screw up they will given a downgrade for each action. The Super Bowl official Boger received 8 downgrades last season. The league reversed each one all at once so he could work the Super Bowl. :suspicious:
    Report: NFL officials question Jerome Boger’s selection as Super Bowl*referee | SI Tracking Blog
    This downgrade system is a useless smoke screen.

    The officials can never be questioned, doubted or called out. Should a player or coach do so, he will be immediately fined. (kind of like questioning governments in socialist countries) Even the media or ex-players rarely point out suspicious officiating. It's simply allowed to exist and has become an accepted part of the game.

    Sock puppets like Mike Pereira are allowed to exist to placate the public. What they say has no influence whatsoever.

    Sometimes I feel like a lemming being lead to the end of the season. After SB XL, Seahawks/Steelers, I felt that things would change because officiating that poor cannot be allowed to exist. I was wrong. Sorry if this sounds like a sour grapes conspiracy theory. Eventually someone will say take off the foil hat and just enjoy the games. Everything is fine. Of course this is exactly what the NFL wants me to hear and do. So far, that's what I've done.

    Hey Ian...where's the lemming emoticon?
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    I've been laughing at the conspiracy theories for a long time, but this season sure lends some credibility to to their case. I'm really starting to wonder.
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    I was actually going to make a thread on this but didn't have enough posts.

    Cary Williams later prevented a TD with a pass deflection. He always went on to say "it was in the heat of the moment, he got between me and a player I was going after and I accidently hit him".

    No Cary, you got up, saw the ref and went after him before going a complete 90 degrees to your right and hitting another player. It was obvious he was not impeding anything and even if he was YOU STILL SHOULD HAVE BEEN EJECTED.

    This is the same scumbag who swung multiple punches at Edelmans face right in front of a ref without any sort of repercussions. "Letting them play" does not mean "let them swing punches". It was clear as day at the time the refs were not prepared for a big game like that and the Ravens ended up winning because of it.

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    It was clear as day at the time the refs were not prepared for a big game like that and the Ravens ended up winning because of it.


    the last game of the year??

    THE game?

    the refs "weren't ready"????

    if so then this fall squarely on the lap of ROGER GOODELL.

    There were so many egregious non-calls that all I remember are these incidents...NOT the scoring plays .Worst Super Bowl I've watched in years.

    When you have a documented slug official, wipe his slate clean, then award HIM the Super Bowl job, YOU are either a gd'ed idiot or have a hidden agenda...either way, this is Goodell's baby...let him face the withering fire of the media when next season rolls around.
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    That non-call was pretty much the cherry on top with regards to the Ravens season for calls going for and against them.
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    Well honestly I was referring to week 2, but the refs were also not prepared for the SB. I'm not sure why Hochuli wasn't reffing. It wasn't nearly as bad as the replacement officials, but it was still pretty poorly reffed SB.
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    I'll tell you what this reminds me of...the end of the LA Showtime/Bird era...remember those two years between that and the Jordan ascension?

    Same exact thing.......well sure those are fouls but the refs can't call five guys for fouls on every play...so of course Laimbeer can slam players in the head and punch them in the face while Isaiah Thomas hacks so bad the claw marks are visible on TV camera...did you SEE that jumper Dumars made???...nothing to see here ...move along
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    Well, Baltimore does ***** more than anyone about the refs. I guess what we've learned from the Ratbirds and PolianColts are that if you ***** enough, you'll get your way with the zebras...

    Whatever...
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    Welker wearing an unauthorized promotional hat during an interview: Fine

    Uniform code violations (most recently Gore's socks): Fine

    Belichick grabs refs arm, post-game: Fine

    Lloyd throws ball to official who wasn't ready: Penalty, but no Fine

    Brady's awkward slide/kick: No penalty, but Fine

    Shove an official during the Super Bowl: No fine, ejection or penalty


    The league is nothing if not consistent.
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