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  1. fgssand

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    Felger has been saying for a while now, that we should overpay and keep him. Today, he provided a few facts.

    Per Felger:

    Games that AV misses directly cost us a game over past 5 years -

    2005 - Denver 43 yarder - debateable, making the kick brings us within 8 points.

    2004 - None

    2003 - Week 4 at Washington, he missed a kick in a game we lost by 3 points.

    2002 - None

    2001 - None

    AV in a dome on turf - career misses - None.

    Tom Brady is 7-0 in overtime, AV has not missed in OT and won 6 out of 7 of those games (Troy Brown TD in Miami was the 7th)

    AV = money, as in making field goals and as in what it will take to keep him. I still say that overpaing by as much as 500/M per year is relatively short money - keep AV, please.
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    I guess the answer is what you would consider overpaying. I don't like the list though. It suggests that if he missed a field goal, but we won, it doesn't count. Off the top of my head, in addition to the one's mentioned, he missed two in the Superbowl, two in the game against Houston that we won in overtime. Because the team overcame those misses doesn't make them irrelevant.
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    I want to keep AV, can't think of anyone i would rather have kicking for the Pats....but didn't he miss 2 dome kicks in SB 38?
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    Right he missed 4 alltogether there
    plus cost pats 2 wins in pete carroll last year here
    Pete record would have been 10-6 last year here cost us going
    to playofs.Then our history changes pete would not have been fired
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    One was blocked, but maybe he kicked it too low. SB 38 was in Houston; was the roof closed that day?

    Sign Adam.
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    just give the man his money!
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    I would be willing to pay Vinatieri up to $5 million per season. Our super bowl hopes hinge on whether or not he signs with us.
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    Don't. Overpay. Anybody.
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    Relax.
    BB promised Adam he would not tag him again. He put a $2.5mm/yr multi-year deal on the table. So now Adam wants to test the waters. But he reads. He hears people like the Tuna say he'd be stoned to leave. He's not stupid.

    He will go out and see what his value is on the open market. He will then weigh it against the offer by BB and all of the perks he has here. The offer keeps him as the highest paid kicker in the league, at least for now.

    He hesitates, makes us nervous, then re-signs with the team.
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    Relaint Stadium is grass not turf.....Felger is tricky
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    I totally agree that he is worth and more.
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    Are we doing this again? OK Bob Kraft should give Adam his house, car and Gillette Stadium.:singing:

    For what I've seen and heard the deal that he has been offered is good enough. I love Adam but if he is going to be really greedy, don't let the door hit him in his ass on the way out.
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    OMG, TSD you ARE BB in disguise aren't you?

    I was listening to WEEI all day at work and they all seem to think it is a matter of a few hundred thousand dollars that is keeping Adam from re-signing. If that is truly the case then give it to him!!!

    One point they made today that I agree with is that when AV goes out to make a kick we don't worry about him missing it! With a new kicker, be it Longwell or Vanderjgat we would not have that same comfort. I think the extra half million or 750K is worth it!
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    I really think that we should make Adam the highest paid player in the NFL. Just think, we could top Manning's deal...or even more if that's what it takes.
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    id hope we keep adam, i know hes not perfect but how can you expect him to be? 3 kicks ill never forget, snow bowl, SB36 and SB38. should we not want brady cuz he never plays well againts miami? or maybe cuz he is 1-4 all time against denver. well he sucks, lets look to trade him *rolls eyes*
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    Would you say......$10 google?
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    Do you really think WEEI has any clue or insight into AV's deal? Herald says there was no guarantee or bonus money - I am still hopeful it will play out that he stays.
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    ...at the very least! In fact, I would be willing to spend the entire salary cap on him. :D
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    Phuck NO.

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
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    Just another way to look at it all...

    From Pro Football Talk.com....3/4 seems to have gottten lost amongs all the CBA drama...an interesting blurb about vets.....

    "Guys who probably should be taking all of this to heart include, in our opinion, Jets quarterback Chad Pennington, Titans quarterback Steve McNair, Seahawks running back Shaun Alexander, Colts running back Edgerrin James, Patriots kicker Adam Vinatieri, and Steelers receiver Antwaan Randle El.

    The problem, as we see it, is that the players are hearing the advice of their agents when the time comes to decide where to sign or whether to take that pay cut to stay put at a time when another team has already said (hypothetically) that it would pay more. Agents, you see, usually don't care about the 30 years of income following the pro football career (unless, of course, they're the ones lining it up and getting a fee for doing so). Instead, the agents want their points on the biggest pie available now, without regard to whether a move to a new town screws up the potential earnings post-football in the old one.

    So think about the future, guys. It's coming. You can't stop it, but you can plan for it. And one way to do so is to know when to conclude that a little less now could translate into a lot more later. "

    I do wonder about whether AV has looked at this...and it is very legitmate..in a few years, the agent is gone..he has his money and?? The long term is far from looked at...I think this may indeed swing the pendulum back this way.
    It should!! Listen to BillP who brought you here..he knows.

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