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Should Ty Warren have figured out sooner that he needed surgery?

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  1. Fencer

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    Editing everything because I misread an article date before

    Is there any basis for saying Warren should have figured out his need for surgery months ago?

    If he had, he might well have been able to play the second half of the season ...
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    This is the Key question: if Ty Warren was suffering from a chronic problem in his hip area, as we are now being told -- why not have it taken care of in February?

    Surgery then would almost certainly have allowed him to be available for three quarters or half this season.

    Unless, something happened in the 3rd practice of TC to severely exacerbate the injury.....
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    I would have to assume that he aggravated it in camp. No way he passes his conditioning test with a torn labrum.
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    Usually have to wait for most of the inflamation to subside before you can have surgery in any case.

    One wonders if warren was at ota's this offseason instead of at college if he would have gotten injured.
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    How the heck do any of us, who have never met the guy, know enough about his physical state in general and this injury in particular to be second guessing him? How can we conclude or guess anything else unless we are orthopedists who examined the guy and saw his tests, before and after?
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    this is the correct response.
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    Thats way to rational to fly around here.
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    1) dDdn't feel to bad coming into camp
    2) He is a man who has played with pain before


    He wanted to play not hard to understand no second guess here.
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    I don't know...maybe because Ty told us yesterday that the hip has been a problem since TC in 2005...and he's been laboring as a result for the last year and a half...and he thinks his groin and knee problems emanated from it???

    Just sayin'... Ever wonder why some players take heavily discounted early extensions...it's not always because they're team players or idiots...sometimes it's because they already have reason to believe via nagging concern that they may not make it to the end of a rookie deal viable enough to cash in big time anyway.

    Ty Warren: I made the right decision
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    Good find w/ the article, Mo. In his presser, BB even said that Ty had had a tough go of it health-wise these past couple of years.

    As you point out, based on Ty's health, wear and tear and age he could be cut/traded at the end of the 2011 season and quite possibly looking at a vet-minimum deal at 32 years old if hes not 100% back.
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    Isn't figuring out whether surgery is needed or not the job of the team's doctors?:confused:
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    A fair question we'll probably never have answered. I read in the Herald today that it's a bone spur, not a labrum. In that case you'd think it MIGHT have been diagnosed and taken care of during the off-season in time for him to play this year.
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    Why is it Ty's responsibility to figure out anything about a medical condition?. Unless he deliberately avoided the team's doctors when requested by the Pats, the Patriots org should have responsibly assessed the health value of their asset. It's not like BB and Co didn't know that Ty had 'issues'.
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    It IS the player's decision whether and when to have surgery, not the team's.

    A few athletes put off surgery until late in the offseason so they can have fun -- I think Shaquille O'Neal was guilty of that.

    Many more -- after consulting with medical personnel -- are over-optimistic about playing through their injuries, and with 20-20 hindsight later wish they'd bitten the surgery bullet at an earlier stage.
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    Warren said, "It was something that I wanted to get done. That I needed to get done. I've been laboring around for about a year-and-a-half".

    If this had been an issue since 2005 and he's been laboring about it for the last year and a half then why didn't he have the surgery in February or March as opposed to the middle of August. He could have had the surgery, taken his classes, done his rehab and be on schedeule to play this season. Wes Welker he isn't.
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    Maybe the team told him he didn't need it and then it got worse? If it's his classes that were holding him back this year, why did he not do it last year?
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    OK, from scanning over various threads today I think I have a handle on the Warren situation. The reason he's had bone spurs in his hip for the past 2 years is that he took college courses during this offseason, and shame on him for not shutting it down and having surgery during those seasons when we were all applauding him for playing through pain. Did I miss anything?
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    Maybe they did and maybe they didn't. There are a lot of what ifs but it sounds like this has been an ongoing problem since 2005 and the solution to the problem is surgery with an expected recovery time of 6 months. The time to make that decision would ideally be after the season is over not in August.
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    Yes you did.
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    It does not make sense to think that his classes, which I think were just for this summer, were the cause he did not take the surgery any time in the last 3 or 4 years. More likely, they thought it was never needed until recently.
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    Its the type of injury that at first you think you may have pulled your groin or a leg muscle and the pain comes and goes and its not too bad at first. I have the same injury now going on four years and up to this year it wasnt a problem, now I cant even golf without severe pain so I'm assuming its the same with Ty and its gotten worse. Instead of trying to plug his way through he'll just get it taken care of.
    Also its a procedure thats only been done in the last 11 years because there wasnt a way to fix it until someone invented a tool to do the procedure, not many doctors perfom the surgery although I wouldnt think Ty would have a problem finding one of the best to do it for him.
    In short he probably thought he could muddle his way through another season but quickly found out the hip had gotten worse. Hobbling with this type of injury will absolutley also put added stress on your knee so once it gets to a cerrtain point its best to just get it done and alleviate any additional problems.

    If you had this injury 20 years ago you either tried to play through the pain or if it was too bad you retired.
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    Seem to me that the bottom line for Ty Warren is that it's in his interest to have surgery as early as possible as he needs to be 100% healthy for his contract season in 2011 (if there is one).

    If that means sacrificing this season so be it - it's the business side of football and the need for players to act in their own best interest.
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    OK, thanks. Some of the last few posts are bringing it into focus. There WAS a new injury/exacerbation.

    Also, obviously -- all football players deal with multiple injuries, which might make it harder to figure out what's going on with any particular one.
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    I'm guessing it has more to do with whether he'll be able to walk unaided in 10-15 years.
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    No joke

    My neighbor played football (not pro) and was a Vietnam Navy pilot. Half the time he's crippled by a chronic hip injury. Had to give up golf, the ultimate geezer recreation and exercize, and is in lots of pain. Injuries can be tough to deal with.
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    OK then, I'll try again.

    Every bit of information we've been given says that Warren had a chronic condition he'd been monitoring and playing through for some time. He showed up for camp in good shape, but an injury bumped the hip condition from chronic to acute so he's having surgery.

    So now he faces a long period of debilitation, pain and rehab. But as icing on the cake, he gets fans and media casting about for reasons why this is all his fault and brought about by his calculating selfishness. I'm baffled and a bit disturbed by this seeming eagerness to blame the injured player.

    Any better?
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    As soon as BB spoke about this situation the other day, it was fairly obvious that BB was not happy about the way the situation worked out. I guess I wonder why Ty waited to have the surgery until the season began.

    After reading the other posts, maybe it was not a concern at the end of last year. I still found BB's' reaction slightly curious.
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    It would've been nice if Ty had gotten the surgery earlier this year, which is what I suspect Reiss said Belichick is peaved about. But chances are Ty didn't realize that his hip had gotten worse until he started training camp.

    I'm just glad he'll finally be 100% again next season, assuming there's football, that is.
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