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  1. AzPatsFan

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    After the season, do you expect the Patriots to petition Roger Goodell to review and modify his penalty for video taping?

    Many players have petitioned Goodell and Tagliabue, and in most cases the Penalty was reduced. With the precedents established, and on the books for the CAP infractions by the 49ers and Broncos, leading to a forfeit of a third round pick.

    Do you think they will do so? :confused: Should they even do so?

    If they did, might Goodell reduce the penalty toconform to precedent and give them their First Rounder back, and take a third, like precedent would suggest? Would he reduce the fine?:confused:
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    I think they should. It seems foolish to just bend over and take it w/o trying to put up a defense at all.

    Nonetheless, I doubt they will.
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    No, I'm sure Kraft and BB want Spygate to go away. There's no need to reopen an old wound. Goodell's not going to give a first rounder back...That's just not going to happen.

    If you get fined for going 70 in a 45 and the next day they change the speed limit to 70 do you get your money back?
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    What could possibly be their argument? With players, there's a union involved so they have to get a slightly more fair shake. Why would Goodell even consider changing his mind? It's not as if new evidence absolving them has come to light. Sorry, but they're still guilty.
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    Dont' you have to do that within a short time after the ruling comes down?
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    While they are guilty of a rule infraction, have kinda thought all along that the tapes provided to the NFL by the Pats showed wide spread innapropriate use of camera's throughout the league.. that is why they destroyed them so quickly. Cannot wait until the day comes when we hear their side of the story.. there is more to this than we know.

    Goodell has backed himself into a corner in his rush to judgement, and cannot reverse himself as he will be viewed as weak on the coaches/owners..
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    Doesn't seem likely that any appeal they could muster would have solid footing because the evidence has all been destroyed, it would be a matter of arguing over the validity of his interpretation. As we know from internet boards, people don't often just straight up admit they were wrong unless there is at least some irrefutable evidence that proves they were wrong.
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    #12 Jersey

    not for me; matter closed and i think also Mr Kraft and BB have no intention to 're-open it'
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    Yup, and they were punished for said rule infraction. You're right that Goodell has put himself into a corner on this - if it happens with another team he'll have no choice but to come down, but if you think about it, anything he could have done would have set some precedent and "backed him into a corner". The punishment was harsh, but I don't see anything unfrair about it. Obviously other teams do it, but we got caught, and the punishment is the penalty for getting caught.
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    Trolls don't though. And we don't know if Goodell is a Troll or not. :D
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    I wish I knew what was on those tapes. However, I try to come to terms with the fact that I never will.



    That is unless BB has copies and plans on releasing them after his retirement.... =)
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    I always felt that Goodell's lack of experience showed itself in his handling of the Patriots. I think he errored and the Patriots have grounds to challenge his ruling.

    His punishment was a 2nd & 3rd rounder if we missed the playoffs or a 1st rounder if we made them. How is that appropriate? How can he base the punishment on whether the Patriots make or miss the playoffs. The crime should have a punishment completely independent of whether the offending team makes the playoffs or not.

    It almost felt like we were being punished for being good, instead of being punished for the crime.

    I'd love to see Belichick and Kraft challenge this when the season is over. I can understand why they didn't address this issue during the season. Controvercies cause distraction and it was important for them to spend their time on preparing for their next opponent, instead of dealing with this nonsense.But when the season ends, it's a different story... If the Patriots ever address spygate, it'll be after the season.

    How awesome would it be to get that first round pick back and lose our 2nd and 3rd rounders instead.
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    Huh? Are you aware of anything in the league constitution or bylaws that prohibits a conditional punishment? Your sense of moral outrage isn't going to cut it. The punishment is eithr "allowed" or it's "not allowed", and I'm sure league lawyers made sure it was the former. Where exactly would they challenge his ruling?
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    People...need...to...let...this...go.

    Pats were caught, punished, and now we have the results (16-0), this daydreaming about getting the punishment reversed, I mean, come back to us.
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    Seriously.. We cheated but we showed the league by winning 16 straight games without the help of video or whatever.

    Moss rocks!

    On another note, have you ever visited other team's boards? This whole "message board" thing is new to me but some other boards straight suck. I went to a Colts one ..yuk...a broncos and steelers one. The steelers one was alright but everyone kept calling everyone a "troll".. whatever the hell that is..
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    You'll learn what a troll is...stick around
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    exactly why in the world would belichick or the patriots want to go through that? it's over. all we can do is speculate on what was on those tapes and why goodell destroyed them: patriot haters claim it's proof that we cheated like bandits for years; patriot lovers like myself believe that the tapes contained proof that other teams were taping the patriots.
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    Seriously..what the heck is a troll? I have been a member of bodybuilding boards for years but never saw the term..

    GO PATS!! - Resistance is futile!
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    What they should do is go to the league and ask for the same punishment that the Jets received for breaking the exact same rule.
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    "Troll" comes from Usenet, it's a poster who posts something with the intent of drawing a lot of flames (a flame is an attack post).

    Going to a Colts messageboard and posting something about Peyton's large forehead might get one a troll designation.
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    There have been people who questioned on what basis an appeal can be made.

    I offered one; conforming to precedent for the punishments meted out for other perhaps more serious offenses.

    There is another one that you all are familiar with. "Time off for good behavior" is the term that is applied, I believe.

    When Goodell handed down his ruling, he didn't know what the reaction was going to be. The Patriots could have fought him. They didn't have to hand over the evidence without a fight. They could have gone to Court, in these litigious days. Heck, some Jerk tried to sue his way into the Presidency, after he lost an election.

    The Patriots merely accepted the punishment. The helped reinforce and didn't fight the authority of the new Commissioner. That was an important post facto action. They simply accepted the punishment, cooperated, and moved on.
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    Personally I think the Patriots should appeal, and the NFL should decide that they still need to punished so they still lose their 1st round pick but are given the 1st pick in the 2nd round for mental anguish. ;).
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    God bless you, sir, for saying that!
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    I don't understand what you're saying. Who could they appeal to? Any appeal would just end up back in front of Goodell. They couldn't sue the league based on "precedents for punishments" if the contractual framework of the NFL clearly allowed the given punishment. And "time off for good behavior" isn't a legal principle, so I'm confused by what appeal even means here.
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    spygate is the past and we should let it go. I don't think that it's going to hurt pats in 08.
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