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Should NBC fire or suspend Tony Dungy for his Michael Sam comment?

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    Jimy "one M" Williams:

    "Everything is as important, as when it happens"

    If I owned/coached a team, and Sam were a first day talent, that I thought could help my team more so than any other player on the board, then I would absolutely consider drafting him. The player, and his value, would have to be worth the circus that we all know is part of the deal. If I were in that situation, and the player was a mediocre talent, that I didn't even know would be good enough to make the team, then I'd likely pass on the circus and distraction. It's the reality of the Real World my friends. If two similar people apply for a job, and one comes with baggage, and the other doesn't, most would hire the person with the least baggage. It's how business works.
     
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    Below the belt, and off-base not only about Dungy but also about suicide.
     
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    Publically supporting the guy, and saying you personally (as a coach) wouldn't want to deal with the distraction, isn't necessarily hypocritical. I think with Dungy it's less believable because we know how he truly feels about homosexuality. However, I can hope someone gets a shot, and still not want that shot to be with my team. Do you think some people liked Tebow, and hoped he got a shot with a team, but just not their team? I do, and I understand why.
     
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    Agreed. Plus, when it comes to raising kids, you can do everything right, and still have issues with your children. Being a good parent definitely raises the chances that your kids will grow up well, but it guarantees nothing. I've lost many friends from good homes, to drugs and suicide. I've seen others simply lose their way from addiction alone. We're all individuals with a choice in the end, and a parent can't always be there when their child is faced with a fork in the road. Don't get me wrong, some parents do a poor job, or could do more. The point is, sometimes doing everything right isn't even enough.
     
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    Uhsayagain?? This draft pick has been nothing but a sideshow since the moment they selected him, and we aren't even in August. Hell the guy had a secret deal with Oprah to do a reality show which he backed down from when it created a storm of negative publicity.

    I really have nothing against him. All I know is I'm glad the Pats didn't take him.
     
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    I don't really see why people can't take his honest opinion and see it for the truth that it is.

    Michael Sam will become a media distraction. Dungy just basically said "Why would I want to deal with that extra headache?" 31 other teams didn't have the balls to say it but their actions or inaction in this case speaks louder than words.

    For the people bringing up his son's suicide, SMH. That's pathetic.
     
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    Sums it up nicely ...

     
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    What was said about blacks being coaches back then? Something about them incapable of becoming HCs because of their skin color. Like their skin color being black meant they were mentally inferior.

    Dungy didn't mention Sam's football capabilities or lack thereof because of his homosexuality. He's focusing on the media scrutiny and headache that potentially could come with him being on a team.

    It's a lazy comparison. But Olbermann is one of the biggest idiots on TV so it's not surprising (I didn't even realize he was still on TV or people still cared for his opinion).
     
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    They said it was easier to hire white coaches at the time ... thus the analogy.
    It's not a lazy opinion ... I'm no fan of Olberman but that does not mean I should reject all his opinions.
     
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    Dungy won't ever battle to get homosexuality accepted. It just is not his crusade. Jeff Fisher appears to be taking that on. This is not the right battle for Dungy to fight. So Jeff Fisher is the right man to be Sam's coach. Not Dungy.
    Does Dungy lack courage and conviction? I don't know but I say you're probably incorrect. Not every battle should be your battle. Especially when you're morally against a particular crusade.
     
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    We face far more important things today than sex or race,
     
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    Of course not ... I mean said here I would not march in a gay pride parade - I am not the marching type for any cause really. A no comment would have been better ... siding with discrimination is wrong IMO.
     
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    sex is important Harry ... it's made the makers of viagra millions.

    Obama loves sex ... he poons us daily.
     
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    Dungy stated his opinion and is not in a position to have made or make this decision.... that is a huge difference, than not taking him and then saying he did not take him because he was gay. Opinion and action are two different things...

    Dungy has also coached gay players, except he did not know it. He openly backed Marvin Harrison who has been alleged to be involved in wrongdoing... so his values are somewhat warped...

    Michael Sam responds...

    http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2014/07/michael_sam_puts_tony_dungy_co.html#incart_river

     
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    Some people don't/can't accept homosexuality for religious reasons and I grant them that right without scrutiny.
     
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    Five pages in this forum. When Dungy's comments first went public, this was easily the most talked about event in the main forum. It's been easily the most talked about event on sports radio and television as well as other forums. Because of all that, Dungy's point has essentially been proven.
     
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    Then they should not be employed in secular positions... discrimination is against the law.
     
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    Discrimination against what? The media? Dungy has nothing bad to say about Michael Sam. He said he would have no problem coaching him, he would only have a problem with the media situation it would bring. It's the same reason Tebow is not a backup qb somewhere. Teams don't want a backup qb that gets that much attention.
     

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