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Should illegal immigrants be given college scholarships?

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  1. PatriotsReign

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    I'll start with my personal opinion. Absolutely not.

    What got me thinking of this topic is an article I read in today's Boston Globe.

    Illegal immigrants often find the road to college blocked - The Boston Globe

    Here's a little tidbit from the article;

    "Until his final year of high school, Filipe fit right in.

    A strong student at one of Boston's best schools, he excelled in sports and won a scholarship to state colleges because of his high test scores. He liked rock 'n' roll, video games, and the Red Sox. He spoke English like an American, with barely a hint of an accent.

    Then he graduated, and all the doors closed. He couldn't claim his scholarship, a state college charged him the pricey nonresident tuition, and financial aid was unavailable to him.

    The reason: Filipe is an illegal immigrant.

    Across America, Filipe and students like him are welcomed into the public school system by a narrow 1982 Supreme Court ruling that guarantees them a basic education, regardless of their immigration status. After graduation, for those who want to attend college, the rules dramatically change."


    If you read the article, it's obvious the Globe takes a position supporting such scholarships to illegal immigrants.

    It baffles me as to why they would take such a position. The question here is should OUR tax dollars send an illegal immigrant to college INSTEAD of a U.S. citizen? How can that even be discussed? Are we supposed to feel sorry for someone like Filipe who knows from the time he enters high school that illegal immigrants aren't eligible for college sholarships?

    Secondly, if we are to discuss this issue, what would stop us from allowing illegal immigrants to be eligible to receive the benefits of other social programs? Isn't America for Americans first?

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    Deville Patrick believes that illegal immigrants should be eligible for in state
    tuition breaks.

    Obama's illegal Aunt was on the dole in South Boston.

    It would only suprise me if the globe came out against benefits for illegal immigrants
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    illegal immigrants should be deported
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    So a kid from RI a US citizen pays out of state tuition, but Dems believe a kid here illegally from Countyr X should get instate tuition and scholarships?

    Meanwhile Obama was cut aid to states who are holding illegal aliens (which is the job of the feds), so illegal aliens will be released rather than deported.

    The illegal aliens will also get subsidized (free) health care under Obama's healthplan, welcome to the dem future.
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    You're a racist POS.

    You just don't like brown people.

    Save the children!

    If the Globe's position surprised you, then you must not read the Globe much.

    Oh, now you know why the Globe is going out of business. :D
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    I prefer the Globe to the rag called the Herald and often agree with their OpEd's...and I often disagree with them as well.

    But this one just has no rational basis. There isn't a single reason to give illegal immigrants a scholarship....NONE.
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    I sure hope this kid speaks Portuguese if we're gonna be kicking him out of the only home he's known since he was what maybe 11?

    I wouldn't call it racism though, more like a near total lack of compassion or empathy.
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    Children should not be punished for the actions of their parents. That has been my view of illegal immigration for some time now. While I think the borders need to be stronger I also feel we should treat the illegal minors as legal citizens when they become adults and/or finish high school. They should be mandated to become citizens at that point with no repercussions. They should have to undergo the citizenship process and they should be able to read, write and speak English. An educated America is a stronger America ... legal or illegal IMO.
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    Bush & the old nut McCain were in bed with the democrats on this one.

    All illegal aliens should be sent to Frisco, Cambridge, Crawford Texas and Arizona.

    Raise the taxes of registered democrats only to pay for all the illegal alien free sh!t.

    DEPORT AUNT ZUCCHINI (THE PRESIDENTS AUNT DISGUSTING)

    I wonder what Jon Stewart & The NY Times would have to say if there was an Illegal Alien Collecting Welfare And Food Stamps in the Bush family.............:singing::singing:
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    there's a reason they call them illegal's.......I could likely come up with several million people more worthy of scholarships and financial aid than him......all of them are supposed to be here......

    he should be happy with what he has already gotten on the backs of others.........now its time to deport him and all other illegals
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    I REALLY don't want my federal tax rate increased to take care of non-Americans...as a matter of fact, I don't want it increased at all. Do you actually think any Americans want to give 50% of their salary to our government?

    The compassion for the American kid who doesn't get a scholarship because an illegal immigrant took it takes priority. As I've said a few times, America must always be for Americans first. Young LEGAL Americans can't even afford college these days, so let's take care of them before we worry about using OUR tax dollars for non-Americans.

    Just an FYI...we can't have an "Anybody who wants to come to the United States, come on over!" attitude or policy otherwise our population would quadruple in a decade. No country can afford to be like that.
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    C'mon now Tanker. Its pretty clear the real reason you want to deport him is because it makes you feel more like a man.
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    When you apply for a job you have to verify you are a citizen.. when you go to college you should have to do the same..encourage them to become citizens, do not subsidize anyone who lives outside the law..
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    Sure, give them a scholarship to a college abroad in say, Mexico...
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    I doubt that the problem is that he hasn't been "encouraged" to become a citizen. He's evidently been working since he was 12 to prove he's just as American as you and me; I doubt he'd just punt on the paperwork. I only scanned the article but as PR says, yes, the article is pretty sympathetic. Here's how it winds up:

    By the way, his issue as quoted in the article isn't as much his scholarship -- which I don't think was specified to be a state scholarship -- as his residency status (after nearly a decade trying to be more American than the Americans.)

    My father was a "man without a country," having been purged from the list of people allowed to exist in his native Austria. He was able to work in France during the war (if I have my family history right,) then Israel shortly thereafter, then France again for a time. He was in the US within 14 years after the end of the war, working as a contractor for the U.S. government and became a U.S. Federal government worker shortly thereafter.

    So let's count the times that man's life would have been ruined AGAIN had he been subjected to the types of rules we're currently levying against people who are rooting not only for THIS COUNTRY, but for Red Sox Nation to boot... let's see... he would have been sent back to Austria, probably to his death, during the war... then he would have been prevented from reaching Israel (which the Brits tried, of course,) then he would have been kept from getting an "American" contractor's job, then he would not have been allowed to gain a job with the U.S. government -- certainly not so quickly.

    General nativist immigration policy got a lot of people killed during WWII in the U.S. At least, with a good skill set, a sympathetic background (by the 50s,) and a sponsor in-country, he "made it" to U.S. citizenship.

    With this guy, I guess the plan is to take as much social security and income tax as possible from him, keep our boot on his neck, and let him go to another country he really doesn't claim as home (even if it's his native Brazil,) where he has no desire to live.

    Okay, granted, if he never sought U.S. citizenship, this falls apart. But I doubt that's the case, even with the multi-year waiting list he almost certainly faces.

    As to the complaint that some good kid from Rhode Island wouldn't meet residency either...? This kid lived his life in Massachusetts. The kid from R.I. can move to Mass for a couple of years, and problem solved. Come off it.

    Let's flip that script:

    You don't want this kid -- who's excelled in every way -- as part of a loyal American populace, but you do want every no-talent meth addict off the street to have a shot at "his" spot, because they've had the good fortune of birth here? Why?

    I know, I know. It's of the utmost importance that we enforce any measure against "aliens" who are "using our resources."

    Looks to me like the plan is to use them, and hoard whatever "resources" we could offer them, in some wrong-headed, unrealistic zero-sum game.

    This nativism is un-American, and it's slitting this nation's collective throat. We've signed on a long time ago to free trade and a relatively tarriff-free environment, for foreign goods, assuming we'll get a free flow of trade and open borders for things, without a concommitant free flow of labor.

    So we have freedom of movement for things but no freedom of movement for people. Your flat screen TV has more rights than this kid.

    Yeah yeah, our borders are sooooo sacrosanct. We don't want the looming threat of loyal and productive "resident aliens" who show every sign of loving and cherishing this country.

    PFnV
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    I wonder what scumbags like Jeanne Garafool, Movie Stars and all those dirty bastard left wing college professors who are always trashing America think when they read story's like this about what other people do to live in the country that pigs like them are always blaming for everything wrong in the world.
    DOES ANYBODY EVER TRY TO SNEAK OUT OF AMERICA.

    SIT BACK, SMILE, TELL YOUR LIBERAL SELVES HOW WONDERFUL YOU ARE SOON YOUR COUNTRY WILL JUST BE ANOTHER LAWLESS GERM INFESTED GODLESS THIRD WORLD GARBAGE DUMP WHERE NOBODY WILL BE ABLE TO TALK TO EACH OTHER EXCEPT WITH THEIR SILLY HAND SIGNALS

    THE US MILITARY SHOULD HAVE BEEN GUARDING OUR BORDERS YEARS AGO.

    THE INVASION CONTINUES VICTORY WILL GO TO THE ALIEN WHO BATHES IN ARIZONA SWIMMING POOLS

    THE ILLEGAL ALIEN IS ACCOMPLISHING WHAT JAPAN & GERMANY FAILED TO DO, THEY HAVE INVADED AND WITH THE HELP OF THE MENTALLY DISTURBED SLOBBERING SOCIALIST LIBERAL DO-F--KING GOODER THEY WILL WIN.

    Let us labor for the master from the dawn till setting sun
    Let us talk of all his wondrous love and care
    Then when all of life is over and our work on earth is done
    And the roll is called up yonder I’ll be there

    :bricks:
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    #37 Jersey

    So Bernie Madoff's kids should be able to keep the money?
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    The Globe blows. It's a moonbat paper that has ALWAYS taken the side of the illegals. Anyone remember that wonderful article we discussed in here, where some illegal alien was selling people's SS numbers, and was to be deported over it? The Globe ran a sob piece about how the poor woman "didn't understand" what she was doing. This is the Globe's position on Illegals. Si se puede!
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    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....................

    Si se puede!
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    I got a great idea. Why don't we tell that they ARE ELIGIBLE for scholarships, and then when they show up to collect them............. INS pics them up and ships their lame azzes back to whatever hole they came from.

    If you want to come to the US and be eligible for the "perks" that citizens get here, then come in, go through the process of citizenship, just like the MILLIONS of honorable people before them have (including my family).

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